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Old June 18th, 2010, 11:52 PM   #4241
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And I understand both signs, but that Dutch sign looks more organised to me.

EDIT: also: no need to worry whether the signs for E-routes would ever disappear in Belgium: we know our motorways better with the E-numbers than the A-numbers, so it'd be ridiculous should those numbers be removed from the signs

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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:10 AM   #4242
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California sign looked perfectly clear to me even though I'm used to the Dutch ones Only thing that "bothers" me about them is the different font sizes, and possibly that it's not that clear to me what the "only" on the sign indicates, I have this feeling it's redudant information but maybe I'm wrong.

Then again on the new Dutch signs what bothers me is that a lone diagonal arrow looks so much different from the other arrows.

No sign style is perfect
The "only" means that that lane is an exit lane... in other words if you are on that lane you will exit the freeway and "only" go to the marked route without the choice of continuing on the main freeway.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:05 AM   #4243
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Hmm okay (thanks for clearing that up ), that's about what I thought. That's already pretty obvious to me seeing the sign already tells you you're no longer in the I-405 lanes but heading onto the 101. I can only assume it's extra clear this way, with the added "only" indications.

But going way offtopic here sorry for that
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Old June 19th, 2010, 04:05 PM   #4244
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but if you travel international through many small countries like NL, B, L, CH, CZ, SK, etc. is definitely more handy and useful to use E-numbers though!
It'd be only useful if all european countries would use it in a consistent way. Right now practicly every country does just 'something' with E-routes. Not te mention that the current E-routes aren't always that logical...
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Old June 20th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #4245
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This is not America, Major Tom, where you just have to guess which lane leads to which road number
No guessing. The three left lanes go to I-405 north, the next two to US 101 north, the next to US 101 south, and the far right exits immediately to Ventura Blvd. This sign assembly is actually clearer than many in the US, though if I was driving there I'd be alert to the possibility that there might be optional lanes that aren't correctly marked in the interest of clarity. OTOH, if there were an optional lane for I-405 and US 101 north, the I-405 sign should have no arrows, indicating that the otherwise-unassigned left lanes go to I-405.

How would this condition be signed in Europe? Do you really think it would be clearer?

I'm too lazy to post pics, even Google streetviews, but on I-85 southbound approaching I-285 north, one lane is dropped at each of the two successive exits to I-85, but the signage indicates first none are dropped, then one, then three. Having a clear and consistent signing system isn't always enough-- the highway agency needs to think carefully about how to put it to use, and not every agency does.

One thing's for sure: The California signs would be less clear if if "I-405 north" was signed twice on the same sign per European practice.


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I agree on the E-numbers though, the signs would be much better off without 'em.
I don't. I think posting the E numbers is a good idea. More to the point: a signage system needs to be able to clearly indicate whatever information is required.

"Major Tom." I'm starting to think maybe you don't like me. And I was thinking of finally posting some pics of Green 85 in Spartanburg, SC.

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Old June 20th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #4246
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"Major Tom." I'm starting to think maybe you don't like me. And I was thinking of finally posting some pics of Green 85 in Spartanburg, SC.
Why? It was just a wordplay on David Bowie's two most recognized songs, Space Oddity and This is not America.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 11:26 PM   #4247
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A2 kicks ass:
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Old June 21st, 2010, 12:36 AM   #4248
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A2 also
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Old June 21st, 2010, 01:10 AM   #4249
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Hmm, freewaygasm right now :O
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Old June 21st, 2010, 02:44 AM   #4250
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No half measure, the left emergency lane is the size of two normal lanes. At least this project makes an upgrade to 2x6 possible with a very small effort. I doubt 2x6 is very useful though as long the A9 and infrastructure around Utrecht haven't been upgraded.

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Old June 21st, 2010, 12:21 PM   #4251
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The new A2 tunnel will be 2+3+3+2 but can be upgraded to 3+4+4+3.

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Old June 23rd, 2010, 11:59 AM   #4252
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More;

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Ik weet dat een aantal van jullie ook op het wegenforum zit maar voor de andere alsnog deze foto's van Koef.


Foto 32: Toch al forse middenberm lijkt zich nog wat te verbreden in de aanloop naar de aansluiting Vinkeveen (achter de rug van de fotograaf). Het op botsveilige afstand plaatsen van de lichtmasten is dan ook probleemloos. Geen geleiderail noodzakelijk.


Foto 66: Definitieve en rijklare HRL vanaf het spoorviaduct in de richting Maarssen.


Foto 13: Bij de start van de blokmarkering voor de uitvoegende rijstroken naar de A9 is het al weer afgelopen. Lengte van het zesstrookswegvak is ongeveer 300 meter.


Voor de overige 70 foto's moet je hier zijn:
http://www.dse.nl/~koef/jalbum/A2-Am...k24/index.html
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 12:24 PM   #4253
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So good, it hurts.

When would be a good time to come over and sample this first-class-with-sugar-on-top motorway?
How much of the A2 has been upgraded already to this standard?


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Old June 23rd, 2010, 12:29 PM   #4254
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Amsterdam - Utrecht should be opened in september. However, the section in Utrecht is not completed yet, and could remain a major bottleneck, especially southbound.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 02:31 AM   #4255
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All right, my Dutch friends, tell us more about this little beauty of a bridge:


Wavy bridge off the A10, exit 114



The bridge is located near this exit.
Those old signs look ever so good. They remind me of watching old van der Valk films.


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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:05 AM   #4256
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I recognise it! It's in the Amsterdam district of Zeeburg and the bridge links to the new island of Steigereiland and then onto Ijburg, new districts of Amsterdam built on entirely new islands in the last ten years. There's photos of the housing on the island elsewhere on these forums. When we go to Amsterdam we stay at Camping Zeeburg and you can see that bridge across the lake from the campsite. Across the bridge runs a 1x1 road with 2 tramlines separating them.

This is the bridge linking to the new islands (top):






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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:17 AM   #4257
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What I think is weird about Dutch (and European signage therefore) is that the arrow is not immediately under the route shield. It confuses me because, since the route shield is repeated for every lane, at first I don't know if the arrow is for the route shield to its left or right.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 10:20 AM   #4258
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No, every arrow indicates a lane, the route number shield is located between the arrows. The amount of route number shields is the amount of arrows minus one
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That's why we use block marking. If directions separate, there is always a block marking, and the separating direction is usually on a separate sign, so it's very clear, like this
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I recognise it! It's in the Amsterdam district of Zeeburg and the bridge links to the new island of Steigereiland and then onto Ijburg, new districts of Amsterdam built on entirely new islands in the last ten years. There's photos of the housing on the island elsewhere on these forums. When we go to Amsterdam we stay at Camping Zeeburg and you can see that bridge across the lake from the campsite. Across the bridge runs a 1x1 road with 2 tramlines separating them.

This is the bridge linking to the new islands (top):
IJburg. "IJ" is considered a single letter in Dutch

Good job spotting it btw, cause I had no idea which bridge we were dealing with
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