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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:00 PM   #4261
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What's with that "A10 noord"? Never seen a direction attached to a route number in Europe....
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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #4262
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IMO, they should put [A10n] and [A10s]. More accurate and logic
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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:35 PM   #4263
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That would be [A10z] cause we wouldn't be using English, would we?

Too confusing anyway. We'll have a sign that reads [A10o]. You just know there's people who will mistake that for A100. Then there's the French who don't know if it means occidental or oriental. No good.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #4264
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What's with that "A10 noord"? Never seen a direction attached to a route number in Europe....
It's not really a direction, it indicates the northern part of the A10 (ring road). Can't say I'm a fan of it but ah well
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Old June 24th, 2010, 10:49 PM   #4265
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In Italy they use a lot of this notation on ring roads and bypasses, but they make it clear that stretch of freeway is part of a ring road.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #4266
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What's with that "A10 noord"? Never seen a direction attached to a route number in Europe....
They are used for regional roads in Almelo as well (a town in the east of the Netherlands).


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Old June 25th, 2010, 12:15 AM   #4267
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Sorry for being blunt, but those are some seriously messed up signs :x
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Old June 25th, 2010, 12:49 AM   #4268
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how come they don't use the cardinal direction together with the route identification in Europe? Is it used for secondary and tertiary roads only? Seems odd that they don't use it for all roads including the primary ones.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 09:59 AM   #4269
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Sorry for being blunt, but those are some seriously messed up signs :x
I kind of like those indirect road numbers for important roads. In France or Germany, motorways are signed sometimes over 30 km in advance, but in the Netherlands you usually don't see signage referring to a motorway until the last kilometer.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 10:38 AM   #4270
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how come they don't use the cardinal direction together with the route identification in Europe? Is it used for secondary and tertiary roads only? Seems odd that they don't use it for all roads including the primary ones.
I'm not in favor of using cardinal directions in Europe. There are too many languages, would you know what Jug or Północ means?
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Old June 25th, 2010, 11:53 AM   #4271
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Pardon my ignorance, but might one assume cardinal directions = signing names of cities in their native language?
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Old June 25th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #4272
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_direction
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Old June 25th, 2010, 12:04 PM   #4273
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Not to get off-topic but as a road and map navigator I am lost without cardinal directions. Cardinal directions makes travel easier for one might not know or remember all the names of cities and towns but for sure one knows you are traveling "south" if you are going, say, from Milan to Rome.

In my humble opinion, it would be terrific if Europe implemented cardinal directions on primary roads. Because of the different languages, I think the directions should be in the official language of each country plus English. Simple like that. Just like signs in countries where the official language does not use roman alphabet (i.e. UAE, Israel, Korea, China, etc.).

Another solution would be to use a symbol since Europe signage is mostly based on symbols. It could be a cardinal rose or north arrow or some other type of icon where the direction is accentuated or highlighted. Just my opinion though.
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You forget cardinal directions only work with true grid systems. Germany and Poland have such systems, but France and Spain do not, for example. They've tried it in the United Kingdom, but had to use directions like "northwest".
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You forget cardinal directions only work with true grid systems. Germany and Poland have such systems, but France and Spain do not, for example. They've tried it in the United Kingdom, but had to use directions like "northwest".
Those subtle varieties wouldn't help, I concur. Nobody wants to know if they're heading "South-Southwest".
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Old June 25th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #4276
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You forget cardinal directions only work with true grid systems. Germany and Poland have such systems, but France and Spain do not, for example. They've tried it in the United Kingdom, but had to use directions like "northwest".
I don't know about that. It's not as if everything in the U.S. is at right angles. Any road in France I can think of (well, at least at the level of autoroutes) can be classified as at least approximately east-west or north-south. Even on a beltway, you can just change directions periodically. The Washington and Baltimore beltways are marked as north/south on the "vertical" stretches and east/west on the "horizontal" stretches. And it's reinforced by "inner loop" and "outer loop" (like the Périphérique intérieur, and don't they have a way of distinguishing the two directions on the Antwerp Ring?)
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and don't they have a way of distinguishing the two directions on the Antwerp Ring?)
Yes: 1 is clockwise, 2 is anti-clockwise






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Old June 25th, 2010, 05:21 PM   #4278
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You forget cardinal directions only work with true grid systems. Germany and Poland have such systems, but France and Spain do not, for example. They've tried it in the United Kingdom, but had to use directions like "northwest".
That's not quite right. In the UK it's The North/The South/The South West etc, it's not a cardinal direction but an indication of the region you are heading for. If you're heading to Plymouth you'll know to follow signs for The South West (M5), if you're going to Birmingham from Cardiff you'll follow signs for The Midlands (A449), if you're going to Manchester from London you'll follow signs for The North West (M6). I find that much more intuitive and then once you enter the region you tend to get the city signposted. For instance you won't see any actual signs for Manchester until well past Birmingham.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 05:33 PM   #4279
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Old June 25th, 2010, 06:07 PM   #4280
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Mmm. We should let the Dutch take over Belgium so they can fix the signs.
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