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Old August 5th, 2010, 07:47 PM   #4481
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A most excellent summary, Chris.

I have a couple of questions:
- what's the price tag for these projects?
- is the A15 extension to Zevenaar finally approved? What's it going to be: a tunnel or an overground road (you might have written about this previously, so I apologise)? And why will it be a toll road? Most un-Dutch-like!


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Old August 6th, 2010, 11:52 AM   #4482
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The Dutch highway patrol pulled over an unauthorized oversize load. Two trucks were carrying the biggest demolition crane of Western Europe on A12 between Utrecht and Gouda. They did not have any permits to drive around such a load. It was too long, too wide and too heavy. One truck was weighing 110 tonnes, over 2 times the maximum load permitted in the Netherlands. They were detected by a weight-in-motion system. The whole combination was 32,50 meters long, exceeding the maximum non-convoy exceptionnel length by 10 meters.
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The Dutch highway patrol pulled over an unauthorized oversize load. Two trucks were carrying the biggest demolition crane of Western Europe on A12 between Utrecht and Gouda. They did not have any permits to drive around such a load. It was too long, too wide and too heavy. One truck was weighing 110 tonnes, over 2 times the maximum load permitted in the Netherlands. They were detected by a weight-in-motion system. The whole combination was 32,50 meters long, exceeding the maximum non-convoy exceptionnel length by 10 meters.


What the hell were the transportation company thinking? Do you know which country are the trucks, drivers and transportation company from?

Unbelievable! Even me, a car driver only, know about general height, length and weight restrictions!

I hope, AT LEAST, those trucks were fit with special brakes to cope with the extra weight.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #4484
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It was a Dutch trucking company, apparently specialized in oversized load trucking as the convoy did have an escort, just not the proper permits.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 04:00 PM   #4485
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Why do they not build the missing part of the A15 south of Zevenaar? Then you don't have to make a new interchange.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 04:08 PM   #4486
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Then A15 would have to run for a significant distance through the "Kleine Gelderse Waard" natural area. An A15 west of Zevenaar would only touch the edges of this area.

I don't think the Dutch government should fund this project if it really will be a toll road. I mean, € 1 billion of tax money for 13 kilometers of motorway and then still a toll road? No thank you.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 01:02 PM   #4487
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After 15 years of procedures, minister Eurlings will sign the record of decision of the A74 motorway today!

The A74 will be a short 2 kilometer motorway south of Venlo that will connect the Dutch motorway network with the German Autobahn A61. Construction commenced in Germany this month, and hopefully the motorway can be opened in 2012.

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15 years of procedures for a mere 2.000 meters of motorway. Typical Dutch.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 03:08 PM   #4488
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Absolutely not, I assure you...
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Old August 9th, 2010, 06:56 PM   #4489
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After 15 years of procedures, minister Eurlings will sign the record of decision of the A74 motorway today!

The A74 will be a short 2 kilometer motorway south of Venlo that will connect the Dutch motorway network with the German Autobahn A61. Construction commenced in Germany this month, and hopefully the motorway can be opened in 2012.
I can see most of the alignment lies within German on the stretch that follows the border. How are they going to spill the costs? It would be cool (although unpractical) to have the eastbound lanes in Germany and the westbound lanes in Netherlands, with a wide median, for several hundred meters, so each country would maintain its own lanes.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 07:39 PM   #4490
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Absolutely not, I assure you...
Well, the procedures may be "only" 15 years, it usually takes another 10 years to get a traffic bottleneck acknowledged by politicians in the first place. As A61 opened in the first half of the 1970's, this has been a missing link for at least 35 years now.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #4491
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Well, the procedures may be "only" 15 years, it usually takes another 10 years to get a traffic bottleneck acknowledged by politicians in the first place. As A61 opened in the first half of the 1970's, this has been a missing link for at least 35 years now.
Well, in those days traffic wasn't as intense as it now is. Besides that, it's only a missing link since the opening of the a73-zuid.
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Well, in those days traffic wasn't as intense as it now is. Besides that, it's only a missing link since the opening of the a73-zuid.
No, the A73-zuid has nothing to do with it, as it serves north-south traffic. A73 from Nijmegen to Venlo was lastly completed in the 1990's, but the section of A73 around Venlo already opened in 1970, together with the last section of A67, and German A61 followed somewhere between '71 and '76, hence it was a missing link ever since.

Back in those days, two variants were surveyed, one on the current planned alignment south of Venlo, and one on the eastern side of Venlo, the so-called "Klagenfurt Variant". The planning stages of the Venlo bypass were separately from the construction of A73 from Venlo to Roermond.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 12:16 AM   #4493
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Well, there was a lot of discussion on the German side, too. Maybe the two administrations didn't always work synchronously, which additionally dealyed the planning process in this special case.

Btw, the section of the A 61 from the Keulse Plein to Breyell was planned as "Ersatzbundesstraße" ("replacement federal highway") for the B 7 Venlo - Viersen - Düsseldorf. Originally, it was built without hard shoulders, and the narrow curves near Breyell are the witnesses that this street once has been sub-motorway-standard.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 01:54 AM   #4494
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While I'm of the opinion that the quality of Dutch roads is superior to that of the UK (signage, surfacing, traffic lights, cycle and PT provision are all miles ahead of us), I agree that you do have some serous issues around congestion and some really uneeded road restrictions and odd layouts.

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Are generally low, especially compared to our neighbours, also without good reasons. Why automatically lower speed limits of an entire rural road network just because it isn't classified as a main road? 60-zones pop up all over the country, and they often don't make sense.
We have a nack for doing that here in the UK. Often perfectly safe roads to go faster on have their limits reduced and speed cameras placed there. There is one stretch of road in Oxford that has no houses or commerce leading on it and the limit is 30mph when you could easily do 40mph without any problems. There were regularly mobile speed cameras stationed there in the peaks.

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Traffic calming was the keyword from the 1980's onwards. Narrow lanes, crazy amounts of speed bumps, narrowings, weird routings were thought to reduce automobility. Now we know better than that.
I've driven around residential areas/towns in the Netherlands (very pleasant!) and believe me you don't have as many speed bumps as we do! Also, yours tend to be not very high and in good condition. The state of the roads there are in very good condition also and not as cluttered. Here in London, the state of lot of our speed bumps is terrible. Some are way too high, in a very bad state (potholed, uneven, etc) due to traffic use and others placed where they really aren't needed. Some road narrowings can be justified - there's one at the end of my street that's clearly there to stop HGVs using that road (which is 99% residential) as a rat run. Also I wish the cul-de-sac where I live was like a Dutch Woonerf because in it's current state it's littered with potholes and uninviting.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 02:21 AM   #4495
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I can see most of the alignment lies within German on the stretch that follows the border. How are they going to spill the costs? It would be cool (although unpractical) to have the eastbound lanes in Germany and the westbound lanes in Netherlands, with a wide median, for several hundred meters, so each country would maintain its own lanes.
About half of the total stretch is in NL and the other half in DE though, so maybe they're splitting the costs that way, or it's a total coincidence ^_^
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Old August 10th, 2010, 02:29 AM   #4496
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Well, in those days traffic wasn't as intense as it now is. Besides that, it's only a missing link since the opening of the a73-zuid.
I have driven through Venlo a lot in recent years on the way to Switzerland and Southern-Germany as I prefer driving via the A61 over the A3. But this tiny bit of motor way would make my journey a lot easier. I've had some major delays on the route through and around Venlo that connects with the A67. So hopefully I can soon finally enjoy the new bit of highway connecting the A61 and A73!
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Old August 11th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #4497
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Im not really following this thread, but did anyone know that the A6 near Almere is getting 6x6 lanes? 12 total!
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6x6 = 36

That aside, the A6 near Almere will get 2x4 lanes plus a double reversible lane. That means 6 lanes during rush hour, but not 6 lanes each way at the same time.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 08:09 PM   #4499
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Not necessarily. A 4x4 drive car doesn't have 16 wheels
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Old August 11th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #4500
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6x6 = 36

That aside, the A6 near Almere will get 2x4 lanes plus a double reversible lane. That means 6 lanes during rush hour, but not 6 lanes each way at the same time.
Looking at the maps over the majority of the route between interchange with the A1 and the Hogering it's actually more like 4+5 and 2 tidal lanes.
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