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Old November 1st, 2010, 12:20 AM   #4681
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More of these barriers are being used under permanent circumstances since end of the 1990's.
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Old November 1st, 2010, 07:26 PM   #4682
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so the first superhighway is going to be built at the a27? for a little payment you get a traffic jam free ride during rush hour...... im wondering....
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Old November 1st, 2010, 07:38 PM   #4683
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I think media is jumping to conclusions. First of all, the widening of A27 with an elevated tolled structure in the median was just one of many options. Secondly, I haven't read any statement by the national road authority that a final decision has been made.

The uncertainty regarding toll roads in the Netherlands is that our motorway network has always been toll-free, the only toll roads we have are the Westerschelde and Kil Tunnel, both outside the main road network, though Westerschelde Tunnel plays a vital role for southern Zeeland.

There are a few real-life cases where we had toll roads, one of them was the N323 bridge near Tiel. The toll bridge was a financial disaster and lost money. The acceptance of the Dutch public to pay tolls in addition to the already excessive taxes on motor vehicles, fuels and annual road tax could be lower than they will hope for. A few recently completed toll tunnels in Sydney showed that traffic fell far below expectations. On the other hand, some road widenings with toll lanes in Texas turned out to be a success. The road widening could be financed, and traffic flow improved dramatically.
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Old November 1st, 2010, 08:10 PM   #4684
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A2 Deil - Everdingen

The widening of A2 between interchanges Deil and Everdingen, between Den Bosch and Utrecht, have officially been concluded and the new road has been inaugurated, although full capacity has already been in operation for a few weeks.

But I like to present to you some serious eye-candy with aerial images of the new A2. Most of these pictures are from late summer.









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Old November 1st, 2010, 08:18 PM   #4685
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A nice before - after:

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Old November 1st, 2010, 08:38 PM   #4686
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I think media is jumping to conclusions. First of all, the widening of A27 with an elevated tolled structure in the median was just one of many options. Secondly, I haven't read any statement by the national road authority that a final decision has been made.

The uncertainty regarding toll roads in the Netherlands is that our motorway network has always been toll-free, the only toll roads we have are the Westerschelde and Kil Tunnel, both outside the main road network, though Westerschelde Tunnel plays a vital role for southern Zeeland.

There are a few real-life cases where we had toll roads, one of them was the N323 bridge near Tiel. The toll bridge was a financial disaster and lost money. The acceptance of the Dutch public to pay tolls in addition to the already excessive taxes on motor vehicles, fuels and annual road tax could be lower than they will hope for. A few recently completed toll tunnels in Sydney showed that traffic fell far below expectations. On the other hand, some road widenings with toll lanes in Texas turned out to be a success. The road widening could be financed, and traffic flow improved dramatically.
That is definitely a problem. The Westerscheldetunnel is unlikely to remain a toll-tunnel in the long run, at least in its current state. The resistance is widespread and relentless. The key argument of the contra-movement is that the tunnel is Zeeuws-Vlaanderen's only link with the rest of the country (not counting Belgium, as Antwerp is also applying toll to more and more tunnels) and should as such be toll-free.

Provinciale Staten in Zeeland has promised to review the toll-situation later. For now, the income is needed to fund the construction of the vital tunnel under the Terneuzen-Ghent canal near Sluiskil.

Personally, I expect the Westerscheldetunnel to maintain some sort of toll system - either with an exception for the residents of Zeeuws-Vlaanderen, or with a limited toll system where only trucks would have to pay (to avoid a huge stream of trucks between the ports of Rotterdam and Bruges/Ghent).
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 10:53 AM   #4687
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Minister Schultz confirmed today A27 will NOT be a toll road. There will be no tolls on existing infrastructure.
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Old November 4th, 2010, 02:30 AM   #4688
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What's the sense of your left shoulder running?
You build a whole new lane but did'nt open it all the time. Why?
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Old November 4th, 2010, 11:38 AM   #4689
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Simply procedures. They cost as much as a regular widening.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 10:57 AM   #4690
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Construction of A74 near Venlo will commence on Monday, November 8th. The council of state has denied a final appeal against the motorway construction.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 05:35 PM   #4691
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preparatory works for the A12 widening between Utrecht and Veenendaal to 2x3 lanes with various measures will commence Monday November 8th, 2010 by cutting trees along the motorway.

The A12 will be widened via a variety of options, such as full widenings, left shoulder running and right shoulder running, depending on local conditions. The embankment of the A12 was built in the 1940's and reflected the design standards of those days, but is substandard by todays design, that is why a full widening is too costly at the moment.

The widening will be completed by March 2013.

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Old November 8th, 2010, 09:26 PM   #4692
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I think this is the first English-language destination on a Dutch motorway. The destination is Rotterdam-The Hague Airport.

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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #4693
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Minister Schultz
A picture of her for those who are not familiar with her.

Full name:
Melanie Henri๋tte Schultz van Haegen-Maas Geesteranus



She doesn't seem to be as knowledgeable as previous Minister Eurlings about road infrastructure though. She said "the third "rijbaan", while it should be "the third "rijstrook". Eurlings didn't make mistakes like that.

(the difference between a "rijbaan" and "rijstrook" is carriageway or lane. By "rijbaan" you mean all adjacent lanes and shoulders in one direction. The media almost always got this wrong, while it is something they teach at drivers ed).
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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #4694
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Ecoduct Hoog-Buurlo near Apeldoorn (A1 motorway) under construction.

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Ecoduct Hoog Buurlo by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:44 AM   #4695
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She doesn't seem to be as knowledgeable as previous Minister Eurlings about road infrastructure though. She said "the third "rijbaan", while it should be "the third "rijstrook". Eurlings didn't make mistakes like that.

(the difference between a "rijbaan" and "rijstrook" is carriageway or lane. By "rijbaan" you mean all adjacent lanes and shoulders in one direction. The media almost always got this wrong, while it is something they teach at drivers ed).
I didn't know that either, actually. Doesn't seem very important anyway.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #4696
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I didn't know that either, actually. Doesn't seem very important anyway.
Actually they teach it at drivers ed, and it is a significant difference, especially with a parallel system. If they say they had to close down the "rijbaan", people think 1 lane is closed while actually all lanes are closed. But because the media continues to report it the wrong way, people don't think there is a difference anymore. Luckily Rijkswaterstaat still reports the good terms in their press announcements.

Here's the difference:
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Old November 10th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #4697
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Driver's education, you mean that one week course you only have to take once in your life when you're 18? And you expect us to remember the trivial parts? People can't even remember who's right of way it is unless there's shark's teeth on the ground
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Old November 10th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #4698
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If people can make out the difference between shoulder and lane, they should also be able to see the difference between a carriageway and lane, especially since these words are often used in media and press announcements.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #4699
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Good news for the Utrecht - Amersfoort area.

The design-record of decision will be published tomorrow with the details on the A27-A1 widening.

* A27 Utrecht-Noord - interchange Eemnes: from 2x2 to 2x3 lanes, with a space reservation for 2x4 or a transit lane.
* A27 Utrecht-Noord - Bilthoven: a 4th lane for shoulder running purposes, northbound only.

* A1 interchange Eemnes - Bunschoten: from 2x2 to 2x4 lanes

The section between Bunschoten and interchange Hoevelaken is handled as a separate project, and is not included in the A27-A1 widening, but is included in the "interchange Hoevelaken" project.

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This is one of many projects to widen all motorways in the Utrecht province.

In the same area, the A12 widening between Utrecht and Veenendaal has commenced this week, while the A28 widening between Utrecht and Amersfoort will begin early 2011. The A1 will be widened with shoulder running through the Hilversum area.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 12:17 PM   #4700
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i found this video of a dutch road building method, i found it funny
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1289529783
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