daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old January 2nd, 2011, 03:03 PM   #4881
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

I've been thinking about making such a map. However, I need to improve my inkscape skills first. You don't want to make something like that with Paint.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old January 2nd, 2011, 04:39 PM   #4882
Planen B
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 67
Likes (Received): 1

I'd be interested in making a map like that, current situation and future situation. Made some public transport maps in the past, this should be comparatively easy I would just need a good reference somewhere where I can find the current/planned lane widths.
Planen B no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 05:58 PM   #4883
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

I'm working on a lane count map right now.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 07:03 PM   #4884
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

First draft: let me know if there are any errors.

Note:
only permanent physical lanes are included. This means plus lanes on the left are included, but shoulder running locaties are not included. I want to make a shoulder/plus lane map once anyway.

image hosted on flickr

NL rijstroken v3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

Last edited by ChrisZwolle; January 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 PM.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 07:59 PM   #4885
Planen B
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 67
Likes (Received): 1

A6 between A1 and Almere-Stad-West doesn't carry 8 but 6 lanes.

Was thinking of a more abstract map with less colors myself, maybe I will make one too
Planen B no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 08:08 PM   #4886
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2112

Very nice map, congrats. Pity that I'm a daltonic and in that map I can only see 3 colours...
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 11:43 PM   #4887
peezet
Registered User
 
peezet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: B.o.Z.
Posts: 230
Likes (Received): 17

did you draw the 5 lane section near Rijssen at the A1 ?
I don't see it
peezet no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 11:43 PM   #4888
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
Very nice map, congrats. Pity that I'm a daltonic and in that map I can only see 3 colours...
Better now? I didn't change the colors but the lines are much wider.

Quote:
Originally Posted by peezet View Post
did you draw the 5 lane section near Rijssen at the A1 ?
I don't see it
You're right I will add those later. now

double tidal lane @ A1 Muiden also added
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 2nd, 2011, 11:55 PM   #4889
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,245
Likes (Received): 781

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Better now? I didn't change the colors but the lines are much wider.



You're right I will add those later. now

double tidal lane @ A1 Muiden also added
A suggestion, for what it's worth: have some correlation between the scale of colors and what you're trying to represent. (If you didn't have so many types of road, you could use shades of, say, red that get deeper or more intense as the roads get wider, if you know what I mean. You might still be able to come up with something that goes from white to light yellow to deeper yellow to light orange....and through red to deep purple to black. If you see what I mean.)
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 12:00 AM   #4890
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2112

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Better now? I didn't change the colors but the lines are much wider.
Much better, thanks.

PS: 16 lanes? Seriously?
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 12:02 AM   #4891
Fuzzy Llama
Puszysty samiec lamy.
 
Fuzzy Llama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Skierniewice/Warszawa
Posts: 741
Likes (Received): 8

Why does some stretches have odd number of lanes? Are the differences in traffic that great (and again, why?), or are those sections in the process of widening? I don't suppose that those are sections with reversible lanes, because otherwise I'd remember it
Fuzzy Llama no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 10:48 AM   #4892
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

Quote:
Originally Posted by Penn's Woods View Post
A suggestion, for what it's worth: have some correlation between the scale of colors and what you're trying to represent. (If you didn't have so many types of road, you could use shades of, say, red that get deeper or more intense as the roads get wider, if you know what I mean. You might still be able to come up with something that goes from white to light yellow to deeper yellow to light orange....and through red to deep purple to black. If you see what I mean.)
I was thinking about that in a second generation map. But I need to organize the .svg first into layers before I can do that, it takes some more work. This was my first ever inkscape creation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
PS: 16 lanes? Seriously?
Only on two short sections.

But it does look awesome:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Llama View Post
Why does some stretches have odd number of lanes? Are the differences in traffic that great (and again, why?), or are those sections in the process of widening? I don't suppose that those are sections with reversible lanes, because otherwise I'd remember it
There are a few sections which have more lanes in one direction than the other, for example 2+3 or 4+5 or 5+6 lanes. They are usually short sections. Another issue is that there are two locations where there is a plus lane in one direction only. Sometimes it's just to move the traffic jam away from an important hub to prevent a gridlock, not to solve the traffic jam alltogether.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 10:50 AM   #4893
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

A2 Utrecht - Den Bosch

Construction commenced today on a 10 kilometer section of A2 for a road widening from 6 to 8 lanes. It is mainly the section between Nieuwegein and interchange Everdingen. South of Everdingen, there are already 8 lanes. The works should be completed in late 2011.

By 2012, the A2 will feature 8 lanes minimum for 60 kilometers.

map:
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 12:12 PM   #4894
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,200
Likes (Received): 768

I think you could make the map clearer using less colours: just four, for 4, 6, 8 and 10 or more. Motorways with an odd number of lanes could be drawn as having one lane less (2+3 ==> 4 lanes).
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 02:49 PM   #4895
sotonsi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 5,562

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
By 2012, the A2 will feature 8 lanes minimum for 60 kilometers.
That's pushing for the longest bit of 8-lanes in Europe - is it the case that even through major junctions there'd be 8-lanes? If so it wins, as the UK's long sections have lane drops down to 6-lanes.
sotonsi está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 02:56 PM   #4896
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

Not quite.

Interchange Holendrecht (A2/A9) will feature a parallel setup that exceeds 8 lanes, but no 4 lanes per direction continuous. Same for interchange Oudenrijn which will feature 8 lanes, but again a parallel setup. Interchange Everdingen is limited to 3+3 through lanes, though the 2-lane section (southbound) is only some 300 m long.

Everdingen is an interesting interchange. Looking from south to north, a lot of traffic on A2 exits towards A27 (maybe as much as 40 -50%) and a lot of traffic on A27 enters A2 (could be as much as 40 - 50% too). This means the short section between the exit and the merging points does not require 8 lanes of capacity.

Map:

Last edited by ChrisZwolle; January 3rd, 2011 at 03:01 PM.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:01 PM   #4897
snowman159
Registered User
 
snowman159's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 4,469
Likes (Received): 3

Nice map, Chris! Must have been a lot of work.

Maybe varying the thickness of lines in addition to different colors might make it a bit easier to read?
snowman159 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:24 PM   #4898
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

A2 Den Bosch - Eindhoven

The A2 Den Bosch ('s-Hertogenbosch) - Eindhoven will be widened from 4 to 6 lanes between 2011 and 2013.

Map:


However, when I look at the projected traffic volumes, the 60 - 80% growth in 13 years seems somewhat exaggerated. Other projects did not have a huge increase like this, only some 2 - 3% per year for a widening project. There aren't too many alternate routes which could shift this much traffic onto A2.



This also means there will be 100.000 + vehicles per day for 120 kilometers in a row. I doubt there are many sections in Europe which exceed that. I know Germany doesn't have such volumes, but the United Kingdom may have it (especially M1 and M6).
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:42 PM   #4899
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,613
Likes (Received): 19405

Some more statistics about the northern part of A2 between Amsterdam and Utrecht. I really like traffic statistics. These are weekday (monday - sunday) volumes, workday (monday - friday) volumes are generally some 10% higher. Remember this is a rural motorway.



In traffic planning, workday volumes are more relevant because they receive the highest traffic counts. However, the law says weekday volumes have to be used in acoustical surveys, because that's the average over a whole week.

I think a 2-lane reversible lane in the median may be necessary after 2020, generating 7 lanes in the rush hour direction. Utrecht grows like crazy. In the long-term developments the rural peripheral areas of the Netherlands will decline, while the western and central parts of the Netherlands will continue to grow. The city of Utrecht grew by 75.000 inhabitants in the past decade.

Last edited by ChrisZwolle; January 3rd, 2011 at 03:51 PM.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2011, 05:07 PM   #4900
kosimodo
Mapmaker
 
kosimodo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Aalborg
Posts: 2,147
Likes (Received): 372

Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman159 View Post
Nice map, Chris! Must have been a lot of work.

Maybe varying the thickness of lines in addition to different colors might make it a bit easier to read?
Changing the colours wouldnt be a bad idea.. Now it is not apperant which color has the most lanes.

Now Chris isnt bored this evening....
__________________
(((:~{>
kosimodo no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
congestion, dutch, friesland, highways, motorways, netherlands

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium