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Old January 15th, 2011, 03:01 AM   #4961
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1. The Wadden Sea is an UNESCO World Heritage Site.
2. Flora & fauna are pretty special. It would be a waste to destroy this.
3. The tourist argument seems to be invalid, because already many tourists are visiting this area. It doesn't differ much from Zeeland.
4. It would be a risk for the local economy that relies heavily on tourism. Your plan will remove the multiple unique selling points.
5. Reclaiming land isn't very useful anymore, unless we are talking about harbor or urban expansions. In Zeeland for example they are giving back reclaimed lands to our nature.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #4962
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Talking of dikes, I have a dream (but I know is just a dream) of a massive road that could be built in the Wadden Sea area, linking Den Helder to Uithuizen (near Delfzijl). It would transform the Dutch Wadden Islands in a sort of Dutch Keys as this highway (even a 1+1 would be enough) would cross all the Wadden Islands.

Moreover, they could gate/dam/close the sea inlets, effectively shortening the Dutch cost by some hundred kilometers, like they did in the Zeeland. The Wadden Sea would then become Waddenmeer and, like what happened with the IJsselmeer, it would become a fresh water lake in a couple decades.

Navigation would be preserved, even the water level, but they could expand Friesland some 1000-1400km² reclaiming some very shallow water out there. Then, the sleepy Wadden Islands would become prime destinations easily accessible from Noord Holland.

It is not an engineering big challenge at all, it would be way easier than it was to manage the Deltawerken in Zeeland. However, it would essentially dismantle all marine fauna and flora from Waddenzee, something I think might stir some opposition.

Yet, I dream of the Dutch Keys :p and Villeland becoming a prime sea resort! Too bad we can't get sun and temperatures from Florida, though.
Well we sometimes dream the same way!
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Old January 15th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #4963
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Talking of dikes, I have a dream (but I know is just a dream) of a massive road that could be built in the Wadden Sea area, linking Den Helder to Uithuizen (near Delfzijl). It would transform the Dutch Wadden Islands in a sort of Dutch Keys as this highway (even a 1+1 would be enough) would cross all the Wadden Islands.
The first plans for polders in the Zuiderzee did include polders in the Waddenzee. But the sea between the islands is actually quite deep (about 50 meters), so building dams is quite difficult.

Thank god this didn't happen though, because the islands are very pleasant the way they are, as is the Waddenzee. Two of the islands are car free. But make no mistake, in summer they are very busy despite the required ferry ride.

You should go to the islands some time and see that they are already prime sea resorts. They are very pleasant. Vlieland and Terschelling are my favorite islands.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 10:07 PM   #4964
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The first plans for polders in the Zuiderzee did include polders in the Waddenzee. But the sea between the islands is actually quite deep (about 50 meters), so building dams is quite difficult.

Thank god this didn't happen though, because the islands are very pleasant the way they are, as is the Waddenzee. Two of the islands are car free. But make no mistake, in summer they are very busy despite the required ferry ride.

You should go to the islands some time and see that they are already prime sea resorts. They are very pleasant. Vlieland and Terschelling are my favorite islands.
I've been to Terschelling once. However, it bothered me the ferry from Harlingen, which is quite expensive and kinda slow.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 06:41 PM   #4965
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Which, IMHO, is a main part of their attractiveness
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Old January 16th, 2011, 09:44 PM   #4966
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Has anyone heard of the raise in the speed limit to 130 km/h? Has it gone into effect on any roads yet?
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Old January 17th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #4967
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The speed limit can go up to 130 kph on some roads next March, transport minister Melanie Schultz van Haegen told MPs during the debate on her ministry’s spending plans on Wednesday evening.

Coalition partners VVD and PVV had called for a January start date, but the minister said she could not yet say which roads will be cleared for faster traffic. Noise and environmental pollution limits must still be taken into account, the minister said.

In particular, the speed limit could be increased at night or during quiet parts of the day, the minister said. Germany, Luxembourg, Austria and Denmark already allow faster driving, she pointed out. (Dutch News)
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Old January 17th, 2011, 01:24 AM   #4968
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Has anyone heard of the raise in the speed limit to 130 km/h? Has it gone into effect on any roads yet?
If we can drive 130 km/h, I think it's only be outside the Randstad Metro-area.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 09:27 AM   #4969
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Most of Randstad is already limited at 100 km/h.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #4970
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In particular, the speed limit could be increased at night or during quiet parts of the day, the minister said. Germany, Luxembourg, Austria and Denmark already allow faster driving, she pointed out. (Dutch News)
So do France and Italy.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 11:00 AM   #4971
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There are several large projects underway or studied in the Rotterdam region. Large road investment is necessary to keep travel times in the metropolitan area acceptable, and strengthen the position of Rotterdam as Europe's main port.

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Approved plans:

* A15 widening Europoort - Spijkenisse 2x3, Spijkenisse IC Vaanplein 2x5, U/C in 2011-2015
* A4 construction Delft-Zuid - IC Kethelplein 2+3 (below grade/tunnel) U/C 2012-2015

procedures:

* A13-A16 connection: 2x2 motorway below grade. Construction 2012 - 2015

Study:

* A24/A54 tunnel options between A15 and A20. Preferred alternative to be chosen in 2011.
* A15 Papendrecht - IC Gorinchem upgrade study
* A20 Nieuwerkerk - IC Gouwe upgrade study
* A16 Brienenoord Corridor upgrade study
* N210 Algera Bridge upgrade study
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Old January 18th, 2011, 12:36 PM   #4972
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That tunnel near Maassluis is a good idea, I always thought that ferry was a bit silly in this day and age.

If they connect that tunnel to the N57, there could be an important new Southern route opening up.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 12:52 PM   #4973
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* A16 Brienenoord Corridor upgrade study
Does this study include the bridge, and if so is it going to a thrid Brienenoordbridge?

* N210 Algera Bridge upgrade study
This is needed, but Capelle and Krimpen rather want a Tunnel or bridge to Ridderkerk(A38?) because more than 50% of the traffic from the krimpenerwaard that goes over the Algera Bridge must be on the south side of Rotterdam.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 01:00 PM   #4974
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There are two options for the eastern side of Rotterdam, but it is complex. A new A38 that runs from IC Ridderkerk to A20 near Nieuwerkerk seems not likely because of its high cost (€ 2.5 billion) and large cuts through open fields. A shorter route between Krimpen and IC Ridderkerk (including a new crossing) will cost around € 1 billion and seems more likely. This can reduce traffic on the Brienenoord Bridge substantially. However, it will not reduce traffic on the Brienenoord Bridge enough to be a sufficient solution.

There are also plans for large investment in public transport, but this is seen as a separate problem, as only 3% of the new public transport users are motorists and public transport generally reduces road traffic by 0 - 1% according to various studies.

There is an interesting 2009 Masterplan here (Dutch)
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Old January 18th, 2011, 08:12 PM   #4975
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Does anyone know when the planned date is for the start of the construction of the a4 Delft-Schiedam?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #4976
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Does anyone know when the planned date is for the start of the construction of the a4 Delft-Schiedam?
The record of decision (tracébesluit) has been taken in September 2010. This has yet to become irrevocable at the Council of State (Raad van State) if they reject all appeals. This could be around early summer 2011. After that, construction can proceed.

There is always a slight chance the Council of State rules that there are errors in the planning process. This does not mean the whole A4 is in jeopardy, but it would certainly result in delays. However, if Rijkswaterstaat did their homework properly, there is not much to be afraid for.

The main problem is media sensationalism, there are several opposition groups who changed their minds all the time about cooperation or not. First they sign an agreement, then Rijkswaterstaat continued according to the agreement and then opposition starts circulating messages in the media that they don't agree with the direction Rijkswaterstaat has taken. The whole process has become a bit absurd now and then.

Never had any project spend so much money on environmental impact abatement. If you compare it to the 1960's plans of an at-grade A4, about € 600 million out of the € 700 million budget is spend on non-necessary features (from a engineering point of view).
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Old January 18th, 2011, 11:54 PM   #4977
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From that map, why isn't a southern extension of the A4 to meet the A29 being considered? It seems like that would reduce the need for the 2x5 section of A15.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 12:13 AM   #4978
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From that map, why isn't a southern extension of the A4 to meet the A29 being considered? It seems like that would reduce the need for the 2x5 section of A15.
This section was planned over 50 years ago. Space has been kept available for such an extension, but it would require two bridges or a long tunnel across/under the Oude Maas and Spui Rivers. The A15 needs to be widened no matter what, as a 2020 55.000 truck volume is projected (currently 35.000 trucks per day). Rotterdam will remain Europe's largest port by far. It currently is larger than the next 3 largest European ports combined and a major expansion is under way in the North Sea with a huge container terminal. Rotterdam is currently the leading port for containers with almost 11 million TEU in 2008, while the new container port will be 2 or 3 times larger than the existing one. You can imagine the amount of additional traffic this will create.

However, the A4-south option is still considered, especially after the A4 missing links south of Delft and around Steenbergen will be finished in 2015, leaving this one as the last gap.

A4-south has high potential to relieve the Heinenoord Tunnel (A29) that currently carries around 100.000 vehicles per day. They do not expect an extensive shift of traffic from A16 to A4.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 06:46 AM   #4979
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If there were a best-signage-in-Europe contest, I might vote for you guys. My favorite feature being the distances incorporated in the directional signs, yet without making them messy.
As a fellow American, I agree 100%! Dutch signs look good with out the disorganized-ness of Italian and UK assemblies. Also, they look better then the cold, uninviting German, French and Eastern European signs. Although Spanish signs are also very good. IMHO
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Old January 19th, 2011, 10:59 AM   #4980
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As a fellow American, I agree 100%! Dutch signs look good with out the disorganized-ness of Italian and UK assemblies. Also, they look better then the cold, uninviting German, French and Eastern European signs. Although Spanish signs are also very good.
Personally, I like Finnish signage the most .
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