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Old February 15th, 2011, 03:14 PM   #5101
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Interchange Kleinpolderplein in Rotterdam.

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Old February 15th, 2011, 08:06 PM   #5102
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Mostly third-lane is closed on off-peak hours cause in not full width lane.
3rd-lane is more narrow so speed limit is lowered, when that one is open. When additional lane is closed speed limit is higher und users can more enjoy the driving Am I correct? :-)
That, and bureaucracy It doesn't classify as a widening adding a lane like this so they don't need to do the full permissions bonanza and sound impact studies etc.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #5103
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Another video: A4 from Leiden to Amsterdam!

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Old February 16th, 2011, 06:08 PM   #5104
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I really don't like the new motorway signage. What was wrong with the old one?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #5105
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A2 Oudenrijn - Everdingen

Minister Schultz initiated the widening of A2 between interchange Oudenrijn and interchange Everdingen, south of Utrecht. The motorway will be widened to 2x4 lanes. The roadworks are planned to be finished in late 2011. It is a relatively easy widening in the median. All bridges and overpasses have space for 4 - 5 lanes each way.

A27 Lunetten - Everdingen

Minister Schultz officially inaugurated the extra lanes on A27 between interchanges Lunetten and Everdingen in the northbound direction. There are extra auxiliary lanes and shoulder running, with at least 3 through lanes.



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Old February 16th, 2011, 06:37 PM   #5106
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A27 Everdingen - Lunetten

Wegenforum member Frits took pictures of the newly widened A27 a few days ago.

1. This section was widened from 3 to 4 lanes.


2. Variable signs. During rush hour there are 3 through lanes.


3. Shoulder running.


4. Bridge across the Lek River.


5. Exit Nieuwegein


6. Bridge across the Amsterdam - Rhine Canal


7. Interchange Lunetten.


8. The main carriageway was also widened to 3 lanes.


9. The BBS.


10. Weird sign
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Old February 16th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #5107
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A2 Oudenrijn - Everdingen

Minister Schultz

Minister Schultz officially inaugurated the extra lanes on A27 between interchanges Lunetten and Everdingen in the northbound direction. There are extra auxiliary lanes and shoulder running, with at least 3 through lanes.


Minister Schultz is the most good-looking minister I recall having ever seen.

Sorry for the off-topic, but she does look very good, sympathetic and charming. She could use that good personality, that friendly look to talk and easy resistance of hippie-looking NIMBYS and talk to deluded college kids who protest against road works for the sake of getting out of boredom either.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #5108
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I really don't like the new motorway signage. What was wrong with the old one?
What's changed?

From what I can see of it on this forum, the Netherlands may have the most attractive and understandable signage in Europe.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #5109
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Minister Schultz is the most good-looking minister I recall having ever seen.
What about "die schoenste Ministerin der Welt", Mara Carfagna?


on the left in the pic. And Prestigiacomo, on the right, is not that bad too
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:41 PM   #5110
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I understand the right lane is actually a shoulder, now closed for traffic. Don't you find these markings a bit confusing, especially at more complicated junctions?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #5111
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What's changed?

From what I can see of it on this forum, the Netherlands may have the most attractive and understandable signage in Europe.
A lot has changed:
-Firstly, instead of the arrows showing the direction facing downwards (like in France or Belgium) they are now facing upwards (like in Germany)
-Instead of normal signs showing the next exit with a diagonal arrow, there is a long arrow showing directions lying ahead with a curved one showing the exit.
-When a ring road is shown, instead of it being written at the top of the sign in black on white "Ring + City", it says "Ring + road number" multiple times in small writing at the bottom of the sign in between the direction arrows.
-Instead of local destinations being written black on white, they are now written white on blue as "city + area".
-Instead of having separate signs of different sizes, only one big sign is used.

The old signs are more restful to look at.

Here is a comparison:
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Old February 16th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #5112
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I think the new signs look better aesthetically. With that being said, the old signs are way more clear due to the bigger text size. I hold nothing against good looks, but for road signs functionality is priority number one. Also, is the cost and effort of changing the signs really worth it?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #5113
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Yes. If the signs need to be replaced, why bother with making them look different just to ressemble our Eastern neighbours? I think changing the signage was a waste of effort. What's next? Them changing all signs related to built-up areas yellow?
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Studies found the standing arrows are better to indicate the upcoming road situation. With the old signage, exiting tapers could not be signed and nearly every 2-lane exit ramp has one. This caused significant underutilization of existing roadway capacity. The new signage meant an improvement of road capacity usage by 5%. That is rather significant on saturated motorways.

Second, the new signage also includes other improvement. Foreigners have no idea what "knooppunt" or "afrit" means, so replacing them by commonly accepted symbols was a good move.

A third issue was the re-organization of our road sign destinations. In the old system, we had control cities and so-called remote focal points; hence the use of Groningen on A28 in Utrecht and Maastricht in Amsterdam, destinations which are often not yet relevant. The new approach focuses on network destinations, hence Utrecht, Rotterdam and Amsterdam are much more prominently signed. Studies found foreigners weren't able to navigate our dense motorway network by existing control cities so they had to install all those signs reading "Amsterdam route Amersfoort".

There is much more to it than just different arrows.

The signage typeface (font) and typesize did not change. It is still the Dutch variant of FHWA Interstate (ANWB Ee).
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It's a bit OT
I know... at least I didn't start it
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Old February 17th, 2011, 12:51 PM   #5116
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I understand the right lane is actually a shoulder, now closed for traffic. Don't you find these markings a bit confusing, especially at more complicated junctions?
Confusing situations is also crossing solid white line when hard shoulder is open. I many countries crossing solid line is offend and you can get fine easily...
I am talking about this situation for example: solid line crossing by traffic
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They have yet to invent variable horizontal signing. Perhaps it could be possible to make the line change from solid to dashed and back if needed :O?

It could be done with some thermal sensitive paint, the heat would need to be provided however... I wonder what other possibilities there are for such paints.

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A4 Dinteloord - Halsteren

Minister Schultz will sign the final record of decision of the A4 around Steenbergen next monday. This will complete procedures for constructing the 15-kilometer missing link of the A4 motorway between Rotterdam and Antwerpen.

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Old February 17th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #5119
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Old February 17th, 2011, 05:38 PM   #5120
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Minister Schultz will sign the final record of decision of the A4 around Steenbergen next monday. This will complete procedures for constructing the 15-kilometer missing link of the A4 motorway between Rotterdam and Antwerpen.
This isn't the bit north of the A29 though, is it? Or has that bit of the A4 - from the A15 to the A29 - already got the go ahead?
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