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Old April 10th, 2011, 07:37 PM   #5261
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And, very interestingly, 'van Zeeland' is a very common surname in my hometown metro area (Little Chute, WI, adjacent to Appleton, was heavily settled by immigrant Dutch).

Also, a few doors down from where I grew up in Appleton, was a dutch family that fled the Nazi occupation during WWII.

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Across the lake from you, I believe Holland, Mich., has a suburb called Zeeland (or Zealand - not sure). There are a lot of Dutch in that area. And Dutch was still spoken (at least in formal circumstances like Dutch Reformed church services) in the Hudson Valley of New York into the early 19th century.

But I digress....
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Old April 10th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #5262
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Newly widened N62 near the Westerschelde Tunnel. It's almost a motorway... (just not by classification: autoweg 100 km/h)

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De Westerscheldetunnelweg tussen tolplein en tunnelentree is recent opgebouwd tot 2x2. Het resultaat mag er wezen!

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Old April 10th, 2011, 11:32 PM   #5263
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Nice!, I've drivin on it 3 weeks ago when going to vlissingen I didn't knew i was a normal road before...The sides where still not grown over by grass.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 11:41 AM   #5264
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A24 / A54 New Western Connection Rotterdam

As some of you may know, there are studies for a new fixed link in the port of Rotterdam area. Currently, the Benelux Tunnel is the westernmost fixed link, and is located 25 kilometers inland. There are no fixed links between the port of Rotterdam and the Westland greenhouse area / Den Haag region.

There are two options; both of which will likely be a tunnel considering the clearance needed for shipping. The A24 Blankenburg Tunnel is the easternmost tunnel, with 2x3 lanes and will run from A15 near Rozenburg to A20 east of Maassluis. The A54 is located more to the west, and will run from the Europort Oil Terminals to the A20 terminus near Westerlee. This tunnel option will feature 2x2 lanes.

The minister of transportation will make a decision in 2011. It looks like that the eastern Blankenburg tunnel will have the biggest chance of being constructed. While it is still located pretty far inland, it serves large traffic flows, especially from Zeeland (N57) and the large suburb of Spijkenisse towards A20 and A4. An A54 would likely require an extension to A4 near Delft, which is unlikely at the moment given the densely build-up nature of this area (greenhouses).

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Old April 12th, 2011, 12:54 AM   #5265
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Hopefully it'll be built as quickly as possible, I've always found if funny the Beneluxtunnel is the last link before the sea...
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Old April 13th, 2011, 11:52 AM   #5266
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A6/A7 Knooppunt Joure

Knooppunt Joure (Interchange Joure) is a motorway interchange in Friesland province, where A6 terminates at A7. It is the last remaining roundabout motorway interchange in the Netherlands which features no fly-overs at all. Traffic jams are not very long, but delays are significantly, especially during the summer season when holiday traffic (which is almost 24/7 in Friesland) can cause delays over 20 minutes here.

It will be replaced by a full motorway interchange. The funding comes from the cancelled "Zuiderzeelijn", a once-proposed railway (Lelystad - Heerenveen - Groningen). The funding is now directed to various road and rail projects.

The traffic volumes on this interchange are not as high as in western Netherlands, but still significant, the A7 east of the interchange carries 60 000 vehicles per day. A7 west carries approximately 30 000, as does A6 south of the interchange. The main flow goes from Emmeloord to Heerenveen.

The new interchange design will cater this traffic flow, where A7 will become a TOTSO. Although A7 runs to the Amsterdam area, A6 is shorter. It will be constructed quite spacious, similar to interchange Zurich (A7/N31).

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Old April 13th, 2011, 05:43 PM   #5267
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At last. Do you have any information on knooppunt Hooipolder being reconstructed?
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Old April 13th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #5268
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Great news about A6/A7 Knooppunt Joure !
Five years ago when I drive on A7 I was shocked you can have roundabout in the middle of nowhere whilst drive on motorway. Then realised it's quite typical in The Netherlands.
Nowadays sometimes I stuck during traffic but no more in the future
Could someone explain why here in NL roundabouts where built on the motorways? Because was goedkoopste?
Even on the other side of Iron Curtain hasn't been done such a (stupid?) type of motorways junction...
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Old April 13th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #5269
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Could someone explain why here in NL roundabouts where built on the motorways? Because was goedkoopste?
Even on the other side of Iron Curtain hasn't been done such a (stupid?) type of motorways junction...
My guess is that they wanted to build more mileage, leaving interchange construction for later, with space already saved. The Dutch are quite good preserving ROW for decades for projects that will come to fruition much later.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:23 PM   #5270
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Could someone explain why here in NL roundabouts where built on the motorways?
Even one of the most travelled interchanges in NL, Oudenrijn, was constructed as a simple roundabout at first. Traffic volumes weren't that high so an at grade solution was deemed acceptable I guess. More on the history of that particular situation here: http://www.autosnelwegen.nl/asw/his/.../his/his04.htm (in dutch but look at the pretty pictures! )

Interchange Joure was opened in 1973 though and design standards had already come a long way. I think we've got another case of the Northern parts of the country being short-changed here. Heerenveen used to be a roundabout too and was only upgraded to a substandard cloverleaf without parallel lanes.

Same goes for Holsloot (A37-N34), Drachten (A7-N31) and the upcoming project near Westbroek (A7-N33). The last case is a prime example of austerity measures hitting a proposed project right where it hurts. Instead of even a substandard cloverleaf the latest plans call for a hybrid at-grade dogbone roundabout on the new four lane N33, a national roads

Compared with interchange Zurich and the plans for Joure and Assen-Zuid (all three of them having full, free-flowing connections with a huge ROW) it's a funny mix of high-level and lowbrow interchange design in Friesland, Drenthe and Groningen.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #5271
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The North of the Netherlands is of course a sparsely populated part of the country that hardly gets any international traffic. With traffic volumes being so low, there has always been little incentive to upgrade roads.

The A7 from the Afsluitdijk eastwards is probably the most substandard motorway that we have in the Netherlands. Whether at the Afsluitdijk itself, at Sneek, at Groningen or at those few strange at-grade crossings, nobody ever saw the need the fix it. And let's be honest, traffic didn't really suffer from it either.
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Dutch motorway turns 74

Today, 74 years ago, on April 15th, 1937, the first motorway section in the Netherlands was inaugurated. The A12 opened to traffic for 9 kilometers between Voorburg en Zoetermeer, just east of The Hague. It was the first motorway in the world to feature continuous shoulders, which were made out of brick at the time.

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Old April 16th, 2011, 12:31 AM   #5273
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Old April 16th, 2011, 11:19 PM   #5274
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More on the history of that particular situation here: http://www.autosnelwegen.nl/asw/his/.../his/his04.htm (in dutch but look at the pretty pictures! )
A limited number of pages on the history of Dutch motorways are also available in English and German.
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Old April 17th, 2011, 06:32 PM   #5275
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A28 Zwolle

Some pictures I took this afternoon from an overpass. It has been rumored the 3rd lane will finally open next week after being in hibernation for 6 months since construction was finished.


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Old April 18th, 2011, 06:49 AM   #5276
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I see we've resolved our Flickr issue? :-)
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Old April 18th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #5278
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The quality of motorways in the Netherlands is astonishing. Very well engineered, and obviously a lot of investment. I guess you have a different sort of network to most western European countries in that the Netherlands is very densely populated and long distances (by the standards of most other European countries) do not really exist due to the relatively small size of the country. Most stretches of road are, by definition, near a large town/city or forming an important bypass. This strengthens the case for investment.

Twelve lane stretches like the one above are, I agree, very rare. I can think of only two in the UK; both of which are no more than a few miles/km in length. Probably a good thing, to be honest!
The roads in the NL are generally fantastic. But I can definitely see that there are capacity problems especially around the Rotterdam area which we passed through on our way to Amsterdam. I can see they are widening the A4 near Leiden (IIRC?), looks like a serious bottleneck.

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This was the way we drove from Belgium to Holland. Rather than take the motorways around Antwerp, we took the Westscheldetunnel (which has radio reception all the way through it) and then drove along the coast to Rotterdam. There was roadworks around this area too by the tunnel and the dual carriageway was still coned between the tunnel and the toll booths. The drive through Zeeland is lovely.
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Traffic fatalities 2010

The number of traffic fatalities in 2010 dropped by 11% from 720 in 2009 to 640 in 2010. The drop was significant on 120 km/h motorways (-31% to 33 deaths).

Although motorways carry 50% of all traffic, only 5% of the fatalities occur here.

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Old April 18th, 2011, 06:50 PM   #5280
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A statistic that perfectly shows we can easily increase the speed limit on them.

Stupid 80/100/120 kph limits, there is nothing bad about 180+ in the middle of the night or on very quiet bits of motorway like the A7...

The 100 kph limit on the A2 is disgusting and unbelievable.
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