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Old September 15th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #6041
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Perhaps it is due to technological issues - back when those VMSs were designed, it might have been not so easy as now to display the red circle. But had I to bet, drivers got the message.

Back when speed limit increase to 130 was discussed, it was mentioned that VMS will be used not only to lowering speeds (back then it was about the 100 speed limit and its possible increase to 120). Perhaps along with the section control, at the superb-motorway A2 VMS should be installed, with common soruce of electric power, so that when the speed limit falls, it wouldn't be enforced so much anyway
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Old September 15th, 2011, 08:40 PM   #6042
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Why isn't the red circle used on electronic speed limits signs?
Yeah... This is long story... When I drive in The Netherlands (quite often on this motorway through Zwolle) and see those displayed speed limit signs with digit only I always understand (as almost all European drivers) as advisory speed limit. So mostly driving faster then on those signs. Cause those don't have red circle indeed!
But I've heard it's not correct with Dutch driving rules...

Other hand, you can see also displayed speed limit signs with red circle... So double standard within one small country?
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Old September 15th, 2011, 08:49 PM   #6043
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Yeah... This is long story... When I drive in The Netherlands (quite often on this motorway through Zwolle) and see those displayed speed limit signs with digit only I always understand (as almost all European drivers) as advisory speed limit. So mostly driving faster then on those signs. Cause those don't have red circle indeed!
But I've heard it's not correct with Dutch driving rules...

Other hand, you can see also displayed speed limit signs with red circle... So double standard within one small country?
This was also my first reaction: recommended driving speed.

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Old September 15th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #6044
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This was also my first reaction: recommended driving speed.
The reason there is no red circle is because the Netherlands was one of the first countries to use dynamic signalling, if not the first. They where introduced here in the '70s. A lot of the signs currently in use are older then the latest generation of signs that display colours.

The older signs are gradually being replaced with more modern signs. This explains why on some motorways you can now find matrix signs with the red circle.

I've heard there are cases where a new sign has been placed, but where the red circle is not (yet) used. In addition to replacing the sign itself the cables need to be replaced as well, since the bandwidth to control them is insufficient.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 09:46 PM   #6045
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But for example on new N2, A2 within Eindhoven area, on A28 Zwolle - Meppel where new display signs were installed (1-2 years ago) you can see still advisory speed display...
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Old September 15th, 2011, 10:18 PM   #6046
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As far as I know it also depends on the infrastructure between the traffic control center and the motorway itself, not only the new MTM on the motorway itself.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 10:51 PM   #6047
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bit of a hectic week on the dutch motorways, lot of real heavy traffic jams. a50 shutdown earlier this week, creating chaos on the A12 near Arnhem and the regional roads round Apeldoorn and A1. Later the problems on the A29 to bergen op zoom. Another shutdown near Amsterdam causing major delays, costing a lot of money.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 10:57 PM   #6048
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Don't forget the chaos near Utrecht today
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Old September 16th, 2011, 09:07 PM   #6049
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Update A4 Halsteren

All pics can be seen here
I'm too lazy to translate everything, so all the texts are in Dutch
Yes, I'm too lazy to use Google Translate


^Deze geul is in de afgelopen week gegraven, het lijkt erop dat hier een aantal buizen zullen worden geplaatst om het water van de sloot aan de ene kant te kunnen verplaatsen naar de andere kant.


^Hier de buizen die zullen worden geplaatst, of eerder gezegd herplaatst. Ze zien er gebruikt uit


^De brug is inmiddels verbonden met de grond eromheen, er is deze week asfalt gelegd waardoor men er (als het niet afgezet zou zijn d.m.v. grote blokken) in principe overheen kan rijden.


^De geul gezien vanaf het viaduct, met links de buizen.


^Overzichtsfoto in noordelijke richting


^Hier moet de oprit richting Rotterdam komen, vooralsnog ligt er alleen nog de afrit vanuit Bergen Op Zoom naast


Het was behoorlijk druk. ook op de N259 stond in beide richtingen file (overigens ook op de oude N259 in Halsteren stond een flinke file voor de aansluiting met de A4/N259/N286).
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Old September 16th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #6050
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Some pictures by koef of the northbound A2 widening to 4 lanes near Nieuwegein (suburb of Utrecht). They're progressing quite well, the entire widening is executed in just over 6 months. It should be finished in about 2 months.









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Old September 17th, 2011, 10:53 AM   #6051
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A31 motorway west of Leeuwarden used as a parking lot for the open days of the Royal Air Force.







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Old September 17th, 2011, 11:40 AM   #6052
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No it's not. It's a traffic jam, and they heard I was coming and were making way for me.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 12:48 PM   #6053
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No it's not. It's a traffic jam, and they heard I was coming and were making way for me.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 09:41 PM   #6054
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I love that film. B-E-A-utifil. Good...Good...Gooooooood.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 09:49 PM   #6055
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Old September 18th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #6056
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Exact same location: A2 northbound just south of Beesd IC

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A2-13-10-2010-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old September 18th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #6057
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A31 motorway west of Leeuwarden used as a parking lot for the open days of the Royal Air Force.
Fantastic photos!

One note: the official English name of the Koninklijke Luchtmach is Royal Netherlands Air Force. The Royal Air Force is the military aviation branch of the UK. Sorry for being such a whiner :P
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Old September 19th, 2011, 10:59 AM   #6058
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I particularly like that they went with "Royal Netherlands Air Force" because at the backdrop of WWII they thought "Royal Dutch" could be interpreted as "Deutsch" leading to planes being unnecessarily shot down.

I think if I were a pilot at the time, I would prefer "Netherlands" on my plane as well.

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Exact same location: A2 northbound just south of Beesd IC

2005:
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A2-13-10-2010-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
Excellent.

One question, however: the sound barrier on the right appears... rusty further down. Or is it just brown in color? What's going on there?
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Old September 19th, 2011, 02:49 PM   #6059
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It was installed rusty.. Don't know..looks fancy
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Old September 19th, 2011, 06:11 PM   #6060
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Indeed installed rusty.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriszw...n/photostream/

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