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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #6161
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There are always a few, but yes - it's really bad in the UK. People don't have a goddamn clue which lane to drive in. In fact - people don't have a clue how to operate an automobile.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 11:48 AM   #6162
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It might be an idea to introduce the keep-your-lane principle on such superhighways?
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Old October 11th, 2011, 01:06 PM   #6163
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The trouble is you take your driving exam once and then you're home free. There's swaths of people on the roads who got their license in the '70s and '80s and who still haven't got a clue how to maneuver a roundabout, let alone a roundabout with 2 lanes. And god forbid you should ever use your indicator lights on them.

A refresher course every 5 years or so would be welcome.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 01:10 PM   #6164
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Video of the newly widened A2 between interchanges Oudenrijn and Everdingen:

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Old October 11th, 2011, 01:13 PM   #6165
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The trouble is you take your driving exam once and then you're home free. There's swaths of people on the roads who got their license in the '70s and '80s and who still haven't got a clue how to maneuver a roundabout, let alone a roundabout with 2 lanes. And god forbid you should ever use your indicator lights on them.

A refresher course every 5 years or so would be welcome.
This is what I mentioned in Polish thread. Refresh test every 10 will be ok. If someone causing a lot of accidents every accident or 3 years.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 02:41 PM   #6166
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In these 2 vids you can compare the A2 just south of Utrecht in 2008 and in 2011. In 2008 there were only 2 lanes per direction, today there are 4 lanes per direction:

A2 Deil - Everdingen in 2008:


A2 Deil - Everdingen in 2011:


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Old October 11th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #6167
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Updated lane configuration map of the Netherlands:

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Netherlands motorway lane count 10-10-2011 1024px by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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Old October 12th, 2011, 04:22 AM   #6168
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The trouble is you take your driving exam once and then you're home free. There's swaths of people on the roads who got their license in the '70s and '80s and who still haven't got a clue how to maneuver a roundabout, let alone a roundabout with 2 lanes. And god forbid you should ever use your indicator lights on them.

A refresher course every 5 years or so would be welcome.
Just like here in Canada... Not counting the Chinese and East Indian drivers, who's licenses are automatically recognized even though it's well known they have no place on the road. Period.
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The A4 near Leiden, where the high-speed rail crosses the A4 motorway. As you can see, space is reserved for 2x5 lanes.


Photo by Beeldbank RWS / Joop van Houdt.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:36 PM   #6170
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A74 Venlo

A photo update by GrandmasterE about the new A74 near Venlo. It is planned to be put into service in April 2012. At the same time the German A61 is realigned so there will be a full motorway link here after 4 decades of planning.



bicycle bridge "Egypte"


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A73 has already been moved to make space for interchange Tiglia construction works.


The former roadway, where 4 lanes were fit on a narrow carriageway.


A74 will be partially depressed which is fairly cheap here due to the sandy soils.


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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #6171
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Can we conclude that this is the most non-Dutch looking motorway?
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:51 PM   #6172
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Will A74 surface be made of concrete? (like on many German autobahns)
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Can we conclude that this is the most non-Dutch looking motorway?
It looks the same as the A1 west of Apeldoorn, which also runs through a trench. However, the A74 will be narrower.

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Will A74 surface be made of concrete? (like on many German autobahns)
Concrete roads are totally out of the question in the Netherlands. All remaining concrete surfaces are in the progress of being paved over, at least on motorways. There are some old concrete roads left over in rural areas, but they are rare.
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Concrete roads are totally out of the question in the Netherlands. All remaining concrete surfaces are in the progress of being paved over, at least on motorways. There are some old concrete roads left over in rural areas, but they are rare.
Why is this situation? Your neighbour (Germany) has a lot of new motorways with concrete pavement and they all look good.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 03:36 PM   #6175
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Why is this situation? Your neighbour (Germany) has a lot of new motorways with concrete pavement and they all look good.
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Driving test at 17 gets green light

Seems it will happen. Hope more countries in EU follow suit. Still, I think all ages concerned should be 1 year lower (first lessons at 15,5; test and supervised driving at 16, unaccompanied driving 17)

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An experiment allowing youngsters to start learning to drive from the age of 16.5 years and take a test as soon as they reach 17 will begin on November 1.

Youngsters who pass their test will be able to put forward the names of five people as nominated supervisors and will be able to drive accompanied until they hit 18.

Transport minister Melanie Schultz van Haegen hopes the experiment will improve road safety.

A similar scheme operates in Germany and the number of accidents involving youngsters has gone down 30%, the minister said.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 04:29 PM   #6178
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Dumb idea. It should be 21 at least. And when you reach 70 they should take it away from you. Clear out the roads a little bit.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 05:37 PM   #6179
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A refresher course every 5 years or so would be welcome.
A mandatory practical exam every 5 years! That would stop all those careless people who immediately forget the basics of road rules.

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The A4 near Leiden, where the high-speed rail crosses the A4 motorway. As you can see, space is reserved for 2x5 lanes.


Photo by Beeldbank RWS / Joop van Houdt.
That pic is awesome! Especially for a rail & road fan
(BTW, I'm not a "HSL at any cost" fan)
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This one came at close to any cost and - as you probably know - it still isn't really 'H'. I still believe it will prove it's purpose in due time, though.
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