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Old November 17th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #6321
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The short provincial freeway A256 nearby Goes, Zeeland:


N62 trough the Westerscheldetunnel and Sloeweg (connection tunnel - A58):
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Old November 17th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #6322
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Brabant: Traffic congestion up on A2, A58

Traffic congestion increased sharply on A2 in Brabant province. On this last 4-lane section between 's-Hertogenbosch and Eindhoven, traffic congestion increased by 576% in 2011, "scoring" 152.000 kilometer minutes. Traffic congestion was worst on the A58 between Eindhoven and Tilburg, which recorded 199.000 kilometer minutes in 2011. Traffic congestion was also slightly up on A50 between Oss and Eindhoven. Traffic congestion on A27 was down, from 145.000 kmmin in 2010 to 119.000 kmmin in 2011.

This can be explained by recent changes to the road network. 's-Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven is now the sole 4-lane section of A2 with traffic volumes over 80.000 vehicles per day. With roadworks around both cities finished, it is the last remaining major bottleneck along A2. The A58 is another motorway with very high traffic volumes, as much as 90.000 vehicles per day on 2x2 lanes. The increased congestion is also a result of the construction of a 3rd lane from Eindhoven to Oirschot, which was intended to buffer congestion on the A58 instead of on A2. It serves its purpose well, but will not reduce congestion for travelers towards Tilburg.

A27 congestion was down by 18 percent, mainly because the A2 corridor has now sufficient capacity, which attracts drivers from A27. It is still a major bottleneck though. A50 congestion was up slightly, but remains relatively low at 25.000 kmmin in 2011. This is mainly because traffic detours via Oss to avoid A2 between 's-Hertogenbosch and Eindhoven.

A58 Eindhoven - Tilburg is now the 3rd or 4th worst spot in the entire country.

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Old November 17th, 2011, 02:40 PM   #6323
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Traffic congestion increased sharply on A2 in Brabant province. On this last 4-lane section between 's-Hertogenbosch and Eindhoven, traffic congestion increased by 576% in 2011, "scoring" 152.000 kilometer minutes.
5 times more in just one year? It seems almost impossible.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 02:45 PM   #6324
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5 times more in just one year? It seems almost impossible.
It's a huge increase. It's mainly a relocation of traffic congestion, which was first on nearby workzone stretches which have now been widened to 8 lanes. This particular section will be widened to 2x3 lanes in 2012 and 2013. Comparable with A2 further north near Zaltbommel, traffic congestion will likely be cut by 90% in 2013. It's just two more years of biting through, then we're done.

The Netherlands has a very dense motorway network where all motorways are communicating with each other. A change here will have effect there. I'm just happy they managed to widen 80 out of 100 km between Amsterdam and Eindhoven in only 4 years time.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM   #6325
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Brabant: Traffic congestion up on A2, A58

Traffic congestion increased sharply on A2 in Brabant province. On this last 4-lane section between 's-Hertogenbosch and Eindhoven, traffic congestion increased by 576% in 2011, "scoring" 152.000 kilometer minutes. Traffic congestion was worst on the A58 between Eindhoven and Tilburg, which recorded 199.000 kilometer minutes in 2011. Traffic congestion was also slightly up on A50 between Oss and Eindhoven. Traffic congestion on A27 was down, from 145.000 kmmin in 2010 to 119.000 kmmin in 2011.

This can be explained by recent changes to the road network. 's-Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven is now the sole 4-lane section of A2 with traffic volumes over 80.000 vehicles per day. With roadworks around both cities finished, it is the last remaining major bottleneck along A2. The A58 is another motorway with very high traffic volumes, as much as 90.000 vehicles per day on 2x2 lanes. The increased congestion is also a result of the construction of a 3rd lane from Eindhoven to Oirschot, which was intended to buffer congestion on the A58 instead of on A2. It serves its purpose well, but will not reduce congestion for travelers towards Tilburg.

A27 congestion was down by 18 percent, mainly because the A2 corridor has now sufficient capacity, which attracts drivers from A27. It is still a major bottleneck though. A50 congestion was up slightly, but remains relatively low at 25.000 kmmin in 2011. This is mainly because traffic detours via Oss to avoid A2 between 's-Hertogenbosch and Eindhoven.

A58 Eindhoven - Tilburg is now the 3rd or 4th worst spot in the entire country.
Whats the traffic like at the A59? Mainly Around Waalwijk/Den Bosch/Oss .. Because I keep on hearing that traffic is terrible there, especially between Oss and Den Bosch, and that slow traffic is the norm!
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Old November 17th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #6326
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The main problem around 's-Hertogenbosch (Den Bosch) is that they appear to have miscalculated the usage of the parallel lanes of the A2/A59. The usage of the parallel lanes appears much higher than the express lanes. I personally do not favor a local-express setup for only 4 lanes each way. Motorways can operate fine with 5 lanes each way. Now the available capacity cannot be used efficiently. This results in slowdowns on both adjoining sections of A59.

Unfortunately there are no traffic count stations available close on the A2/A59 near 's-Hertogenbosch. The closest count station I can access is between Oss and Paalgraven. There were about 60.000 - 65.000 vehicles per workday on that section in the first half of 2011. I can only imagine the volumes closer to 's-Hertogenbosch are higher, maybe as much as 80.000 vpd.

I have also accessed recent traffic counts on A2 's-Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven. It appears volumes were at 90.000 vehicles per day in the first half of 2011 (2x2 lanes).

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Old November 17th, 2011, 04:26 PM   #6327
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this last 4-lane section
I will never be accustomed to it... In Hungary if a road is said to be "4 lane", it means four lanes per direction while you (and several other nations as well) mean 4 lanes altogether so two per direction.
So at first sight I doubted how on earth can less than 100 thousand vehicles cogest a road of four lanes... :-)
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Old November 17th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #6328
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The Netherlands has a very dense motorway network where all motorways are communicating with each other.
How about A31?
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Old November 17th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #6329
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You can keep it way closer, A261 or A270


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Unfortunately there are no traffic count stations available close on the A2/A59 near 's-Hertogenbosch. The closest count station I can access is between Oss and Paalgraven. There were about 60.000 - 65.000 vehicles per workday on that section in the first half of 2011. I can only imagine the volumes closer to 's-Hertogenbosch are higher, maybe as much as 80.000 vpd.
It was 77.000 vpd in 2006, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was around 85.000 vpd now.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 08:49 PM   #6330
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You can keep it way closer, A261 or A270
Also: A57 and A2 south of Maastricht.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #6331
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A57? There is no A57 in The Netherlands, there is a N57 (Rotterdam - Middelburg)
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Old November 17th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #6332
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A7 east of Groningen.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #6333
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That's not what I meant with "communicating" at all, but never mind.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 05:19 PM   #6334
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Recent road news;

130 km/h = section control?

The attorney general wants to implement section control along motorways which will get a definitive 130 km/h speed limit, similar to Tutor in Italy. Initial reactions were mostly negative, it is seen as they want to cash in on the higher speed limits. No definitive decisions about the 130 km/h trials have been taken yet.

Fog = chaos

Dense fog has covered the Netherlands yesterday and today, rendering most shoulder running inoperable, significantly increasing congestion. The morning rush hour peaked at about 400 kilometers of traffic jams, about twice the regular rate. Especially with the large number of new shoulder running in recent years, it shows the vulnerability of our road network.

A58 widening?

According to regional newspapers, Rijkswaterstaat is currently conducting a feasibility study to widen A58 between Tilburg and Breda to 2x3 lanes. The motorway carries up to 90 000 vehicles per day on that stretch and is frequently congested. It is only one of many saturated 4-lane motorways in the country.

Hoevelaken interchange rebuilding

Gelderland provincial government has pledged to fund additional measures to reduce motorway impact that are not required by law. This could speed up the process of the Hoevelaken cloverleaf rebuilding, which is one of the most congested interchanges in the Netherlands. There are also continuing arguments about whether the Hoevelaken exit should be kept or not. It's basically too close to the interchange to operate safely under high traffic volumes, because traffic will have to cross two busy lanes within a few hundred meters to exit. Hoevelaken can already use three other nearby motorway junctions, though the one in question is closest to town. The project is to be finished somewhere around 2016 or 2018.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 05:38 PM   #6335
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I don't see why Holland is at 120kmph when the motorways are probably much better than Poland and they are implementing a 140kmph speed limit!?! Another thing is that you have Germany with no speed limit in the south too. It seems quite a few countries follow the 130kmh speed limit.. Kosovo btw not added to that list has 130kmph top-speed limit on the currently built motorway.

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Old November 21st, 2011, 05:53 PM   #6336
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And then there is the brand new 10-lane (= 5 lane per direction) A2 where the max. speed is 100 km/h
I thought the 5-lane (4 lanes + wide plus lane) A4 passing Hoofddorp was 120 km/h

I can't understand why the frequently congested A58 between Roosendaal and Bergen Op Zoom (2x2 lanes) can be 130 km/h, when a brand new, practically traffic jam free highway with 5 lanes is 100 km/h. I don't see any [bleep]ing logic in that

I also thought that some of our highways were designed for speeds up to 160 km/h, Chris, is that true?
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Old November 21st, 2011, 05:55 PM   #6337
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Higher speeds are dangerous because of the short distances between exits we have. If we'd had less of them, great chance we would already be driving 130.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 06:00 PM   #6338
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I don't see why Holland is at 120kmph when the motorways are probably much better than Poland and they are implementing a 140kmph speed limit!?! Another thing is that you have Germany with no speed limit in the south too. It seems quite a few countries follow the 130kmh speed limit.. Kosovo btw not added to that list has 130kmph top-speed limit on the currently built motorway.
The A2 in Poland really doesn't have much traffic, and not many exits, and is mostly very straight. You just have to keep stopping for the tolls.

It would probably be safe enough with even 160 kph.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 06:13 PM   #6339
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Higher speeds are dangerous because of the short distances between exits we have. If we'd had less of them, great chance we would already be driving 130.
Sorry, but if that's the real reason: that's bullcrap (not meant for you ) And that's still no reason why the A2 is 100 (Near Maarssen it's because of environmental/sound issues), Between Maarssen and interchange Holendrecht there are 4 exits (Breukelen, rest area, Vinkeveen, Abcoude) in 20 km. That's 1 approx. every 5 km. (that's above average btw) You could easily drive 160 there outside rushhour...
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Old November 21st, 2011, 07:55 PM   #6340
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It is safe enough with even 160 kph.
Fixed .

Samme applies to Holland though, especially at night. Not a problem at all cruising at 160 kph (muldergrens) on cruise control on motorways.

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Lots of exits and entrances shouldn't matter, if they do, ban all cars from highways that don't do 100 kph in 10 seconds so there is no problem with granps in his Korean Ecomobile ( or any other crappy ''green'' or city car) joining traffic at 70 kph... Also remove the truck limiters. Leave Snelwegen ( ''fastroads'') for Snelle Auto's ( fast cars).

// Remembers his autobahn trips to Poland and Poland itself where you can realistically drive 150-180 kph on average at night, unlike here, here you get stuck up morons on their high horses abiding rediculous laws and hating everyone who wants to go faster and coppers who love to take your license or the government who welcomes your extra speeding tax.

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