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Old December 2nd, 2007, 07:58 PM   #621
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Our first car consumed sometimes 18L/100km inside the city.
holy crap that is one liter to 5,5 kilometer. My car consumes 1 liter to 14 kilometers in traffic jams, and 1 liter to 17 kilometers in freeflow situations. And that's still gas, no diesel or something.

Fuel costs about $ 2,20 per liter in the Netherlands.
Road taxes are very different, it depends on fuel and weight of the car, i pay $ 40 per month, which is one of the cheapest. a typical Diesel car have to pay about $125 per month.
Then you have to pay a registration fee if you buy a new car, which increases the original price by 142% (apart from the usual 19% VAT). So a car that costs $ 50.000 with VAT on catalogue costs $ 71.000 in reality. However, these prices are already calculated when you see the price of a car.

A car also have to do a periodical check, which has to be done annually for cars of 3 years and older.

My car costs are quite cheap, i buy about $ 175 dollars for gas, $ 77 for insurance and $ 40 for road taxes per month. That's about $ 300 per month.

But my insurance is not allrisk, and my car is quite fuel-efficient. My dad who ownes a Renault Espace pays $ 500 per month approximatly.

Getting a license is pretty expensive, it costed me about $ 2700 to get it, which is quite cheap, because if got it all in one time, not a lot of lessons, and i didn't fail once. My ex-girlfriend took 90 (!) lessons and payed over $ 5000 for her license in total.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:03 PM   #622
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42% not 142%
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:07 PM   #623
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42% not 142%
He means that you pay 142% of the original price .
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:19 AM   #624
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@TheCat: it's not too long at all. If fact, those differences are quite interesting. Those ensurances risings just seem to be pure fraud from insurances companies. Ridiculous. Here, it also depends from your number of accidents, age and stuff like that, but it's not that extreme. On the other hand, driver licences seem to be cheap... In holland, the average number of lessons nowadays (before instructors think you're ready to take exams) is 40, and an average lesson costs about €40 an hour. So that's already €1600 euros, without having done any theory or driving exams...
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:37 AM   #625
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40 bucks an hour? I heard prices are around € 40 now, that's about 60 dollars.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 01:22 PM   #626
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I didn't use a dollarsign, Chris.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 07:01 PM   #627
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A small disaster on the A58 motorway today.

Between Breda and Roosendaal, a truck got a flat tire, and crashed into the center divider, and then ricocheted into a gas station, taking down almost the entire roof of the gas station. It's a miracle only the driver got injured.
As we speak, 6 hours after the accident, the motorway is still closed.





In the traffic jam that formed behind the accident, another accident occurred.

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Old December 4th, 2007, 01:27 AM   #628
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Old December 6th, 2007, 07:14 PM   #629
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Another busy rushhour today, 475 kilometers of queue.

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Old December 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM   #630
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Lucky the truck didn't ignite the gas station. I can't believe the gas station is so close to the motorway, with only a steel guiderail for protection.
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Old December 10th, 2007, 12:59 PM   #631
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Extremely busy morning-rushhour

Traffic was very bad this morning, around 8.10 am there were 93 traffic jams totalling 503 kilometers.

An accident at the A8 motorway right before the Coentunnel caused around 5.50 am already a traffic jam. Around 9 am, there was still 21km of queue at the Coentunnel, starting on the A7 motorway near Avenhorn.
Rushhour lasted until 11 am.
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Old December 10th, 2007, 09:26 PM   #632
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Okay, it seems like the next time I visit Holland, I will use the train, thank you very much
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Old December 10th, 2007, 10:04 PM   #633
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Nah trains aren't that much better, they are often overcrowded during rushhours in the west. Best time to travel is between 10 am and 4 pm, then you have only a few traffic jams possible. (besides incidents, no money can be refunded from this advice)
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Old December 11th, 2007, 02:15 AM   #634
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How can people live in Randtstad? If they start 8 am, do they have to leave home at 5?
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Old December 11th, 2007, 10:02 AM   #635
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A lot of people start around 7 am at their office. The most notorious early traffic jam is the A7-A8-A10 jam before the Coentunnel, everyone wants to go through the tunnel first, so the traffic jams start here as early as 6 am. Don't forget the average commute is about 20km, that often sounds a lot to Dutch people, but i don't think it's that much. 20km can easily take over an hour on a Randstad motorway.

The Randstad is not defined, so population numbers aren't either. Most common figure is about 7 - 8 million, but also a lot of people commute to the Randstad (especially Utrecht, since that city is on the edge of the Randstad).
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Old December 11th, 2007, 10:23 AM   #636
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Nah trains aren't that much better, they are often overcrowded during rushhours in the west.
Well, certainly not all of them. Of course often people need to stand during rush hours, but it's quite rare that trains are so full that some people need to pass a train by. In that way, I wonder if it would differ that much compared to PT in other countries. I travelled a lot by train the past 2 years, and I don't think it's a bad way of transportation. The network is quite big (at least every city with 100.000+ inhabitants has one or more stations), the frequention high (there are almost no train services that run less than 2 times an hour in each direction), and most of the trains are pretty comfortable.
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Old December 11th, 2007, 07:24 PM   #637
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People have to stand in commuter trains during rush hours everywhere in the world. I call a train full when you have to squeeze yourself in.
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Old December 11th, 2007, 08:27 PM   #638
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Chaos after A27 accident

At the A27 motorway near Gorinchem, an accident with 3 trucks, 2 vans and 2 cars occurred at the Merwede bridge. The A27 is now already closed for many hours. Traffic is being diverted via the A2 and A16 motorways, but those are fully jammed. Every road in a 30km radius from the accident site was jammed.

Police tried to divert people off the motorway who were already waiting for 2 hours. An ambulance with a victim on board was stuck in a traffic jam, so a second ambulance stopped in the other direction to remove the victim to the other ambulance.

The accident occurred around 15.30, and the A27 is now at 19.30 still closed for all traffic heading north.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 01:24 AM   #639
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A2 widening updates:

The 1600m landtunnel U/C in Utrecht, 2-3-3-2 lanes will run trough here in a few years:



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Old December 13th, 2007, 01:22 AM   #640
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tunnel under nothing? why?
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