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Old December 7th, 2011, 05:42 PM   #6401
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Yes but knowing us dutch I don't think that the new a13/a16 will have much use if you have to pay toll for it and the alternative isn't much slower and free.
True, my parents wont take the A13-A16 either because of the toll

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But make atleast the a13 by overschie toll, so that more people will choose to take the a13/a16 or a4 depending from where they are travelling
I actually don't think that's a bad idea at all, but only if the A13-A16 is 3 lanes. And the A4 should be 3 lanes too (should already be, because there are gonna be 100.000 vehicles driving on 2x2....)
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Old December 7th, 2011, 05:53 PM   #6402
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If I have to start paying toll for every damn stretch of motorway in this part of the country, then I want the car ownership tax to disappear. This is just stupid.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #6403
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I think somewhere in the process the toll on the A13/A16 will be scrapped. There is a lot of local interest in diverting traffic off the old A13 through Overschie to the new connection.

The use of the new connection is more beneficial to the environment than it is to the road user. So I think this new connection should be made as attractive as possible. It would make more sense to pay toll if you keep using the old A13 through Overschie.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 02:48 PM   #6404
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I concur. Tolls on the A13-A16 link don't make sense, nobody would use it unless there's extreme congestion on A20. If you want to get the maximum potential out of this link, it should remain toll free.

The A24 however, can be tolled without much problems, as long as the tolls are acceptable. The Benelux Tunnel was also initially tolled. Maybe they should use the savings on the A4 Delft - Schiedam project (from the looks of it over € 300 million) on the A13-A16 link.

I also think A13 should be widened to 2x5 lanes.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 12:03 AM   #6405
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The M6 Toll in the UK has always had less traffic than forecast.

And then of course the company running it has increased the tolls to try to produce more income ...
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Old December 9th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #6406
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The toll increase on the M6 Toll is more to do with reducing costs (wear and tear, staff manning booths) by keeping traffic down. They decided that they will not get enough traffic to pay their debts back, so it's damage limitation and have 100 people paying £5, rather than 500 paying £1 and having higher costs to maintain.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 05:17 PM   #6407
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A2 's-Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven

The Council of State has denied a preliminary injunction relief to prohibit the widening of the A2 between 's-Hertogenbosch and Eindhoven to 2x3 lanes. This means preliminary construction can go ahead, pending the final Council of State judgment dealing with the appeals against the record of decision. The road widening will begin next Tuesday.


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Old December 11th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #6408
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A13-A16 Rotterdam link map:
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Old December 12th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #6409
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Why did they choose a path near the airport, preventing it from possible future expansions? Will the tunnel be above or below ground level?
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Old December 12th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #6410
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The will build the link across an existing road in the Airport area, to minimize impact on the remaining undeveloped areas in that region. The tunnel will be at grade, which means there will be a small hill across the area of about 7 m high (just 1 or 2 m above sea level though).
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Old December 13th, 2011, 01:09 AM   #6411
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Why did they choose a path near the airport, preventing it from possible future expansions? Will the tunnel be above or below ground level?
There's lots of spare capacity at the airport and in the current environmental climate it will never be used up so expansion isn't an issue. You'll probably see Schiphol, Eindhoven, Lelystad, Twente and Groningen expanded earlier than there even being a new terminal at RTM.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 12:05 PM   #6412
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Indeed. There is no need to expand the airport. There are about 50.000 flight movements yearly and just over 1 million passengers. It is used a lot for corporate flights (Shell and other big companies), and has regular links to London City. It is also used by our government plane. For the rest it is used by low-cost airlines (Transavia.com).

Most general passengers from the area use Schiphol Airport.
From Rotterdam Central it takes about 25 mins to get to 'Rotterdam-The Hague Airport' by bus, but it also takes 25 minutes to get to Schiphol by train.
From The Hague Central it is 45 minutes to 'Rotterdam-The Hague Airport' by metro+shuttle, but only 30 minutes to Schiphol by train.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 12:23 PM   #6413
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Still, I think a bigger 2nd airport is needed for Netherlands. That would be Lelystad, but things are going slow there.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #6414
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Indeed. There is no need to expand the airport. There are about 50.000 flight movements yearly and just over 1 million passengers. It is used a lot for corporate flights (Shell and other big companies), and has regular links to London City. It is also used by our government plane. For the rest it is used by low-cost airlines (Transavia.com).

Most general passengers from the area use Schiphol Airport.
From Rotterdam Central it takes about 25 mins to get to 'Rotterdam-The Hague Airport' by bus, but it also takes 25 minutes to get to Schiphol by train.
From The Hague Central it is 45 minutes to 'Rotterdam-The Hague Airport' by metro+shuttle, but only 30 minutes to Schiphol by train.
Everyone one who use Rotterdam Airport knows the size of airport is pros. Really fast check-in as fast as in LCW is very convenient for business purposes. I am happy if this airport could stay as it is.

Lelystad should be ready 10 years ago. The closest airport for people living in Groningen/Drenthe is Bremen.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 05:07 PM   #6415
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Lelystad should be ready 10 years ago. The closest airport for people living in Groningen/Drenthe is Bremen.
Isn't the closest Groningen-Eelde airport? And there also is Twente airport, both of them have commercial flights.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #6416
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Came across this thread on a cycling forum I'm on and would like to know more about the Govt. considering allowing cyclists to use the road if the bike paths are too crowded. Unfortunately, the video that the OP used is no longer there/available.

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http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-safety-issues
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:03 PM   #6417
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There are no real capacity issues on bicycle paths. They are usually wide enough to support two cyclists in each direction. Some traffic light-controlled intersections have a problem with throughput, but this is not on a large scale. The main problem is actually parking outside designated areas and conflicts with mopeds and scooters.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #6418
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I guess the problem would be more in urban areas, where the ability to expand capacity is limited, if not impossible.

This is from a Dutch fellow called Markenlei on YouTube. Some of the vids in the playlist some of the more congested paths.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...A&feature=plcp

The Dutch are awesome at accommodating BOTH cycling and driving and making it look easy at that.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #6419
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It is unlikely that would happen, as it would create severe safety hazards. I read some of the posts on that forum, sometimes "bike activists" from the other side of the pond like to be more Dutch than people living here. Usually because of misconceived ideas about how things operate in Netherlands.

In cities/areas where many people drive, cyclists are faced with issues that are common to drivers on full roads or pedestrians on crowded streets:

- you can't go as fast as you want (if you use to ride the bike faster than average)

- you will feel "pressed" to rush up if you are too slow (consider the country is 90% flat, literally)

- you will not have the right of way all the time (meaning: you might need to actually stop on yield signs for pedestrians and vehicles).

Some cyclists in US behave very badly, they treat other users of roads like trucks, pedestrians and especially cars as "enemies", though they usually lash on pedestrians "demanding" they open space for them on the sidewalk.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #6420
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Isn't the closest Groningen-Eelde airport? And there also is Twente airport, both of them have commercial flights.
Yep. And I will be using that a lot now, as Transavia now offers flights from Innsbruck to Groningen direct. (as well as Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Eindhoven) Makes it easier for me to visit my family in Sneek. I don't think the Netherlands needs a second major airport. Duesseldorf and Brussels offer great alternatives. It's only a small country.
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