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Old February 12th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #6661
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Is it true that the the A10 tunnel would frustrate the potential Nord-Zuidlijn extention to Amstelveen?
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Old February 12th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #6662
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Is it true that the the A10 tunnel would frustrate the potential Nord-Zuidlijn extention to Amstelveen?
Absolutely not because it will need a tunnel past the Zuidas near Amsterdam Zuid Station regardless of whether it gets extended to Schiphol (and before that Amstelveen).
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Old February 13th, 2012, 12:41 AM   #6663
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Absolutely not because it will need a tunnel past the Zuidas near Amsterdam Zuid Station regardless of whether it gets extended to Schiphol (and before that Amstelveen).
That's not entirely true, its being said now that moving the A10 underground will mean the end for the tram/subway turn to Amstelveen as there's no room anymore for the turn. Terrible decision if you ask me.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 03:18 AM   #6664
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Great!! black ice on Dutch motorway again!!
The motorway surface is extremly slippery with melting/freezing water!
I stopped the car on A7 on hard shoulder to check is it so slippery cause my track control system was switching on everytime i was just touching my brakes... When I went out from car I couldn't stay on asphalt! Like on icerink! Of course a lot of drivers were driving 120 km/h passing me and next flying away from lanes when they decided to slow down!

2h55min took me drive from Emmeloord to Almere! And get to changed destination 3 hrs later then planned...





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Old February 13th, 2012, 04:17 AM   #6665
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Movie future situation at the Zuidas. Well not entirely at the future, because before or during this situation they are going to look at the train and metro with 3 options:
-All underground (+700.000m2 additional real estate)
-Trains underground, metro above (+600.000m2 additional real estate)
-Above ground (+350.000m2 additional real estate)

They are leaving future options open. Even concerning the North/Southline. With trains underground, the North/Southline could be expanded to Amstelveen above ground.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #6666
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Isn't it the porous asphalt that causes the roads to be that slippery?
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Old February 13th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #6667
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Isn't it the porous asphalt that causes the roads to be that slippery?
No.

Actually more granulated pavement is better to break or avoid large Ijs sheets.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #6668
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No.

Actually more granulated pavement is better to break or avoid large Ijs sheets.
I think draining asphalt get damaged fast in cold weathers because water inside holes freeze and increase its volume breaking the asphalt.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #6669
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Yep, especially the freeze and thaw cycle. Rijkswaterstaat has stated that there has been little damage to road pavement this last two weeks, where temperatures remained below zero for a long time. The winters of 2010 and 2011 were quite different with loads of pavement damage.

While porous asphalt is a bit more susceptible, it can happen with regular dense asphalt as well, if moist between the pavement layers freeze and expand. Concrete doesn't appear to have this problem, but the poor drainage capabilities of dense pavement can cause rather large icy patches.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #6670
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I think draining asphalt get damaged fast in cold weathers because water inside holes freeze and increase its volume breaking the asphalt.
I know, we can barely get in our shed because the ground has come up and the door can only go like 15 cms open
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Old February 14th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #6671
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Dutch highways have one of modern traffic system in the world for me
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Old February 18th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #6672
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I went to an open day of the A4 motorway in the city of Leiden today.

The current 4-lane motorway will be replaced by a 6-lane motorway below grade. A narrow bridge will be replaced by a wide aquaduct. The current roadways are 8.50 meters wide. The future roadways are 27.50 meters wide, allowing 2x6 lanes with shoulders.

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Note, this is one of two aquaducts, this one will open to six-lane traffic in a few weeks, after which an identical aquaduct will be constructed next to it. This means the A4 will be over 3 times wider than it is today.

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Old February 19th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #6673
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I recorded another A4 video.



Some notes;

* New Ringvaart Aquaduct with cool blue lighting.
* Especially the first half until the 10-lane section is subsided, you almost become airborne at some overpasses.
* the left lane on the 10-lane section is often closed during low traffic periods
* massive traffic jam I should have escaped, but the lane closure message just disappeared from the VMS so I thought the delay would be minimal. It turned out to be 25 minutes for 1 kilometer.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #6674
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And immediately another video

I recorded the A27 between interchanges Hooipolder and Everdingen. I've got 3 more videos coming up, so stay tuned

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Old February 23rd, 2012, 10:22 AM   #6675
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:25 PM   #6676
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I´ve got 3 more videos:


A2-A10 Utrecht - Amsterdam, driving over the Dutch superhighway:


A8-A7 Amsterdam - Den Oever (last exit before enclosure dike)


N99 Den Oever - Den Helder
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:47 PM   #6677
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A2-A10 Utrecht - Amsterdam, driving over the Dutch superhighway:
Re: Your question:
I can drive 225 km/h there, perfect road for maxing out my car, especially at night.
Of course the NIMBY whingers and eco morons/retards caused the speed limit to be 100km/h, not that it matters much. Simply keep your eyes on the side for highway robbers (with multinova's or gatsometers), check flitsservice.nl, and cruise at 140 kph ( muldergrens). Anyone with trained eyes can see them a mile off.

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Old February 23rd, 2012, 06:24 PM   #6678
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Simply keep your eyes on the side for highway robbers (with multinova's or gatsometers), check flitsservice.nl, and cruise at 140 kph ( muldergrens). Anyone with trained eyes can see them a mile off.
Watch out, this year there will be section control here (Maarssen - Breukelen and Vinkeveen - Abcoude (Don't pin me down on those locations, I'm not 100% sure about the exact locations!)) Good luck speeding without getting a ticket then...
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Old February 24th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #6679
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Watch out, this year there will be section control here (Maarssen - Breukelen and Vinkeveen - Abcoude (Don't pin me down on those locations, I'm not 100% sure about the exact locations!)) Good luck speeding without getting a ticket then...
I know, I hope they will be destroyed/vandalised .

Luckily I don't have to drive the A2 at all, Live near Rotterdam and go to A'dam with the A13/A4.

There are always illegal ways too :
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/premium...et-black-42752
Just joking. However I really hope those things will be destroyed regularly, I don't care it costs tax money to fix, the government must get the message that such things cannot be tolerated by motorists, we are already being ripped off compared to countries around us.

I mean come on, in Germany 10kph to fast on the autobahn costs a tenner.

The government should focus on INCREASING the average speed of commuters, not decreasing. I remember the good old days of a narrow 2x3 motorway between A'dam and Utrecht at night and cruising 130-140 and being passed constantly. (I'm mainly a night driver and regularly do Capelle ad IJssel-Warsaw so have a special hate reserved for (Dutch) speed limits ). During busy hours they make sense in places ( not the A2 though), but at 3am, bugger off with your 80/100 km/h zones.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #6680
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The speed limits are mostly due to environmental (bogus) concern than safety when the highways are empty. But they are increasing the limit to 130 in many sectors anyway.

I don't think vandalism of speed cameras is the right way to protest it.
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