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Old February 24th, 2012, 11:58 PM   #6701
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This is how it usually looks:

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Old February 25th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #6702
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Old February 26th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #6703
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N50 Ramspol Bridge

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The deteriorated Ramspol Bridge is currently being replaced by a new 4-lane expressway bridge. It spans the Ramsdiep, the connection between the lakes Ketelmeer and Zwartemeer, it also connects Flevoland and Overijssel provinces.

The current bridge dates from 1948 and opens very frequently, especially during the summer. The clearance of this bridge is only 5.3 meters. The new bridge will have 4 lanes and a clearance of 14 meters, so it only has to open infrequently.

The works are part of a project conversing N50 in Flevoland into a 2x2 expressway with a 100 km/h speed limit. The construction time of the new bridge is approximately 24 months.

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N50-26-02-2012-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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Old February 26th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #6704
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A4 Halsteren - Dinteloord Update

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Old February 26th, 2012, 10:47 PM   #6705
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Using the shoulder is not optional, it is obligatory if shoulder running is into operation. You could get an € 100 fine for not keeping right. It's not a truck lane.
So, in the Netherlands you don't have an option of just staying in the middle lane on a 3-lane road?

If I were to drive on that highway from your video (with folks driving on the shoulder) I would have no clue that it's legal. I did notice green arrows signalling that shoulder is open, but that solid line would probably still make me stay in the middle lane just in case.
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Old February 26th, 2012, 10:50 PM   #6706
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So, in the Netherlands you don't have an option of just staying in the middle lane on a 3-lane road?
No, you must keep as right as possible at all times.
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Old February 26th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #6707
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Can anybody show video with plus lane running?
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Old February 26th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #6708
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Can anybody show video with plus lane running?
Strangely I have only 1 video with that, my first road movie


NOTE: my dad doesn't like shoulder running
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Old February 27th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #6709
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Agnette asked for plus lanes, not shoulder running.

Plus lanes start just after 1 minute:
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #6710
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Agnette asked for plus lanes, not shoulder running.

Plus lanes start just after 1 minute:
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What's the purpose of a "plus" lane? Or is it just a regular lane that is more narrow?
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Old February 27th, 2012, 10:23 AM   #6711
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It was used as a loophole in the law a while back, when it was considerably easier to construct a new lane, but use it as shoulder running (i.e. not a permanent lane).

A plus lane is a physical widening of the roadway, as opposed to regular shoulder running on the right. As far as I know the Netherlands is the only country in the world with this type of lane, and let's hope it stays that way.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #6712
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So, in the Netherlands you don't have an option of just staying in the middle lane on a 3-lane road?

If I were to drive on that highway from your video (with folks driving on the shoulder) I would have no clue that it's legal. I did notice green arrows signalling that shoulder is open, but that solid line would probably still make me stay in the middle lane just in case.
All countries in Europe have a keep right unless overtaking policy. This includes shoulder running. Unfortunatley a lot of people in a lot of countries are too lazy to stick to that rule. The Netherlands used to have the worst discipline, but thanks to stricter enforcement, they are now one of the best. Germany used to be the best, but more and more are now lacking this discipline, and shoulder running on the A99 at Munich seems to be a challenge for a lot of people. Countries like Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Switzerland, UK and Czech Republic have no lane discipline whatsoever, and are quite happy hogging overtaking lanes, forcing traffic to stack up behind them. The French of all people are rather disciplined apart from the metropolitan areas of Lille and Paris. Austria is getting better, as the national Automobile Associating are encouraging people to keep right, but Austrians on the A1 between Salzburg and Vienna are badly influenced by Eastern European drivers who have no knowledge on motorway driving. I'd mention Belgium, but it would only create a steer.

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Old February 27th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #6713
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You forgot Italy, which is one of the worst. In a three-lane autostrada, the right one is always empty.
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You forgot Italy, which is one of the worst. In a three-lane autostrada, the right one is always empty.
True. Although in the last few years, I've seen more and more people giving it a careful try, driving on the inside lane on the A4 near where you live. At nightime only though. Between Milan and Turin, where the volume of traffic isn't as high as east of Milan, I do get to see the odd Fiat Panta puffing on the inside lane.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #6715
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Yeah, that's probably the exception confirming the rule. Given the high volume of traffic between Milan and Brescia, if people used only center and left lane those two would be slower thant the right one, so people tend to occupy all three. On other three-lane motorways, though, it's a different story.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #6716
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Freight traffic between Milan and Verona is exceptionally high, and for long stretches they occupy lane 1 and 2. Whenever I'm driving on that road, I usually have no option then to stick with lane 2 and 3, even though I'm a strong believer in the keep right unless overtaking rule. But I'm either overtaking, or I'm pulling my hair out, because that 80 km/h car in the middle lane won't budge, and I can't move to the left, because it's occupied by angry Mercedes, Alfa and Audi drivers going bumber to bumber at 180 km/h.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #6717
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Freight traffic between Milan and Verona is exceptionally high, and for long stretches they occupy lane 1 and 2.
You're right, but bad lane behavior happens also on Sundays when freight traffic is virtually nil.

We're OT, back to the LowLands now I'm curious about new Ramspol bridge: is it going to be a bascule bridge? Isn't that a little dangerous on a 2x2 expressway?
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:14 PM   #6718
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The busiest motorway section in the Netherlands has a bascule bridge

As a matter of fact there quite a number of bascule bridges in the Netherlands, though some will be replaced by aquaducts.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #6719
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I don't think a section with a bascule bridge could ever be classified as "motorway" in Italy... I never saw a bascule bridge in my life, anyway...
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:33 PM   #6720
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This is what a 12-lane bridge opening looks like

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260.000 vehicles per day. It opens only once a day on average, around midnight.
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