daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old February 29th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #6761
woutero
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 294
Likes (Received): 41

@Pz0 You are talking about the Zuiderzee Works, part of which is the Afsluitdijk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works

Polders are defined as land where water has to be actively managed. Rain water is pumped off the land because it does not naturally run off into rivers. This is because the land is lower than surrounding water. In this sense most of The Netherlands is polder and would flood if it would not be kept dry with water pumps (gemalen).

Land reclamation is rare these days. Land for agriculture is not needed. Only for new residential and industrial development there are still land reclamations. 2 examples:
- IJburg in Amsterdam: These Islands.
- 2e Maasvlakte in Rotterdam: new port area.

The technique used for these 2 examples is different: they are not polders. In these 2 cases sand is being used to create new land. Traditional polders are different: a dyke is constructed around a body of water, and the water is pumped out.

@Suburbanist. You are talking about the Noordvaardersplassen. Do you have another suggestion for the use of this land? There is no demand for more land for urban development in this location.
woutero no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old February 29th, 2012, 02:36 AM   #6762
Pz0
Registered User
 
Pz0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Europe
Posts: 45
Likes (Received): 0

Thank you I have read everything of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works .And for me It's really nice how Nederlands made a new lands.Can you tell how much total land amounts square meters added? And why they stoped ,cuz Markerwaard Polder they canceled ;/
Pz0 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 29th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #6763
woutero
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 294
Likes (Received): 41

Hard to tell how much land was added in total, because from the 16th century on many smaller and bigger lakes were turned into land.

The land created due to the Afsluitdijk is:
- Wieringermeerpolder (1930): 309 km2
- Noordoostpolder (1942): 460 km2
- Oostelijk Flevoland (1957): 540 km2
- Zuidelijk Flevoland (1968): 430 km2
So in total about 1.739 km2 was added.

The project was stopped because of a number of factors:
- Changes in agricultural practice and food production: nowadays you need less land than in 1930 to produce more food, and it is easy to import food. This means agricultural land is not needed, and adding extra land for agriculture would simply not be profitable.

- A change in views about how to treat the environment and how to live with water (in stead of fighting water). The ecological impact.

- The (perceived) value of water for recreation and open space. Historic fishing towns, now of importance for tourism, would get cut off from the open water.

In other words: there is no need for more land, it would likely not be a financial success, and it would impact the ecosystem and recreational opportunities.
woutero no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 29th, 2012, 10:13 AM   #6764
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,539
Likes (Received): 21252

Quote:
Originally Posted by woutero View Post
@Suburbanist. You are talking about the Noordvaardersplassen. Do you have another suggestion for the use of this land? There is no demand for more land for urban development in this location.
They could have used the area to make low-density residential areas with a fast connection to Amsterdam, e.g., making ALmere and Lelystad a single urban area with 1/4 of their actual density, giving and affordable option for people working in Amsterdam but wanting to live with more open space.

As for cutting off former harbors, I don't think that is a problem. Urk was once an island, today is grew exponentially because it has good road access and much more land to expand.
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 29th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #6765
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,624
Likes (Received): 19415

A12 sunbound.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 29th, 2012, 01:37 PM   #6766
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,539
Likes (Received): 21252

nice view with the sunset exactly on the highway alignment.
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 29th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #6767
keokiracer
Roadgeek from NL
 
keokiracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Halsteren (NL)
Posts: 3,675
Likes (Received): 2629

Laaate response
Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
Can I ask you gentlemen what do you make from this video?

http://video.repubblica.it/mondo/ola...o=&ref=HREC2-1

It's hosted on Italian newspaper "La Repubblica" but it's in English. It's about bicycle vs. car in the Netherlands.
For those of you that want to see the original video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o

For more cycling videos, it's really the channel you should check:
http://www.youtube.com/user/markenlei
keokiracer está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old February 29th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #6768
bogdymol
bogdymod
 
bogdymol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11,187

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
A12 sunbound.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AUS5x.jpg[/ IMG]
Although the view is nice I hate driving with the sun in front of my eyes.
__________________
Lived, Been, Drove in: A B BG BiH CH CZ D DK E F FIN FL GBZ GR H HR I IRL L M MNE P PL RO RSM S SK SLO SRB UK V
+ Australia, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Arab Emirates & United States of America
my clinched highways
My wife has just started a travel blog. Check it out here: makeitcount.blog
bogdymol no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2012, 03:21 PM   #6769
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,624
Likes (Received): 19415

A1/A6/A9 Schiphol - Amsterdam - Almere

Transportation minister Schultz formally iniated construction of the A1/A6/A9 widening megaproject today. The € 4 billion project will consist of a massive road widening of the A1, A6, A9 and A10 motorways, on the Schiphol - Amsterdam - Almere corridor. Construction will first commence on the eastern side of A10 and the first leg of the A1 to the Diemen motorway interchange. Construction will commence in 2014 along the A1 farther east to the Muiderberg motorway interchange and the first phase of the A6 motorway towards Almere.






Last edited by ChrisZwolle; March 1st, 2012 at 04:21 PM.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2012, 03:24 PM   #6770
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,624
Likes (Received): 19415

A4 Leiden

Minister Schultz has announced today the first opening phase of the new depressed A4 near the city of Leiden. The new aquaduct will open to traffic next Saturday, March 3, initially only for southbound traffic towards Den Haag. Traffic towards Amsterdam will use it for 2 years, starting in April 2012. After all traffic is directed through the new 27.50 m wide aquaduct, the old A4 will be demolished and a second identical 27.50 m wide aquaduct will constructed there. Full 2x 27.50 m capacity will be available in 2014. The aquaduct is currently planned to be operated in a 2x3 configuration, but has space for 2x6 lanes.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2012, 06:07 PM   #6771
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,624
Likes (Received): 19415

A4/N201 Hoofddorp

A very cool animation of a currently under construction project along A4 near Hoofddorp, just south of Amsterdam. The current 2x5 motorway will be expanded with local lanes to reach two exits, for a total of 14 lanes. The widest cross-section will feature 18 lanes of traffic.



ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2012, 08:15 PM   #6772
SkyView
Registered User
 
SkyView's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 605
Likes (Received): 13

Indeed very cool vid !
SkyView no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2012, 03:07 AM   #6773
Juhis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6
Likes (Received): 0

Awesome, that's almost motorway p0rn for those of us who are into that sort of thing.
Juhis no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2012, 03:29 AM   #6774
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,539
Likes (Received): 21252

There is a problem with that video. Cars are too fast. Unless I made calculations wrong, if you divide the real distance by the time it takes for cars to move between two gantries on the video, their average speed would be like 160km/h - the fastest ones :O
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2012, 03:11 PM   #6775
keokiracer
Roadgeek from NL
 
keokiracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Halsteren (NL)
Posts: 3,675
Likes (Received): 2629

On the other hand it's extremely realistic: everybody is driving left....
keokiracer está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2012, 03:59 PM   #6776
snowdog
Speed freak
 
snowdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Capelle ad ijssel
Posts: 969
Likes (Received): 92

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suburbanist View Post
There is a problem with that video. Cars are too fast. Unless I made calculations wrong, if you divide the real distance by the time it takes for cars to move between two gantries on the video, their average speed would be like 160km/h - the fastest ones :O
Perhaps secretly they want to raise the speed limit to 160 ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by keokiracer View Post
On the other hand it's extremely realistic: everybody is driving left....
, indeed.
snowdog no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 3rd, 2012, 09:21 PM   #6777
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,624
Likes (Received): 19415

The Oude Rijn Aquaduct near the city of Leiden opened to traffic today.

Here are a few photos from mavas. It's a Google Picasa hosted photo set, so if you can't see any photos below this text, refresh (CTRL+F5).

















ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #6778
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,624
Likes (Received): 19415

A24 Blankenburg Tunnel, Rotterdam

Some good news about the proposed Blankenburg Tunnel west of Rotterdam. The project has seen a significant cost estimate reduction, from € 1.2 billion to € 1 billion. The tunnel, which will carry the new A24 motorway, will connect the A20 and A15 motorways west of Rotterdam. It will be the westernmost fixed link in this area.

The € 200 million saving means the amount of toll that has to be collected will be reduced from € 300 to only € 100 million, i.e. tolls will be about 70% lower than previously estimated. The minister may be hinting to a toll-free connection here.

The tunnel, which is proposed as a regular twin-tube immersed tunnel with 2x3 lanes, is planned to open around 2020. It is one of two new toll facilities proposed in the Rotterdam metropolitan area.

location:
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #6779
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,515
Likes (Received): 2120

Traffic estimates?
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 9th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #6780
aswnl
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: near Amsterdam (NL)
Posts: 932
Likes (Received): 84

That depends on whether it will be tolled or not...
aswnl no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
congestion, dutch, friesland, highways, motorways, netherlands

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium