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Old January 4th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #701
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These are just like a painting, Frits!

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Old January 4th, 2008, 10:37 PM   #702
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When the pictures were taken it was cold but very sunny. Than you can get this effect.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 06:38 AM   #703
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The lower the octane, the less power an engine can get from a certain amount of gas. A higher octane value means the engine has a better efficiency with the same amount of gas.

So the low octane ratings are less fuel efficient, hence the larger amount of fuel consumption. Together with larger cars and engines, this means Americans might use twice the fuel consumption per capita as in Europe.

Here in the Netherlands, 95 octane is the lowest you can usually get. I know Germany still sells 92 octane called "benzin". 95 octane is called "super" and 98 octane is called "superplus". A lot of tourist get the wrong octane gas in their fuel tank, because they think "benzin" is the same as the euro95 gas in the Netherlands.

Some further reading on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_knocking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
Thanks for the reply. I actually know the meaning of octane rating (some of those high school chemistry lessons still remain ), but I was just wondering why in Israel (and Europe, from what I just read) the octane ratings are higher than in Canada (and the US). I was curious whether it just means that due to reasons unknown to me, the fuel sold here indeed has low octane rating, or somehow the numbers are changed but equivalent In Toronto the highest rating you can get is 91 (as far as I know), and most people use 87 because of rising prices (yes, I do know that you guys pay much more, but people here still don't like to pay).
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Old January 5th, 2008, 07:56 AM   #704
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Chris, you're wrong about the octane rating having an effect on consumption. The octane rating only has to do with the ignition characteristics of the fuel. That being said, a higher octane rating will allow a higher compression ratio (but only if the engine is designed for it), and thus it will deliver slightly more power. But only slightly - it is a safe bet that you will not feel any difference. Whether it is worth it, I leave it to you.

I usually buy the 98, because here in Macedonia the price difference with the 95 is only ~0,016€/L and for such a minor difference I feel I better opt for the 98, even if the performance enhancement is practically negligible.

As I understand, you only must use higher octane rating fuel if your engine starts giving you problems known as "knocking" and that is serious problem.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 02:06 PM   #705
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Ah okay. In the Netherlands, 98 is about € 0,10 more expensive, so everyone buys 95, but i heard those FSI engines only run on 98.

So i think you can say the American and Russian engines are less sophisticated?
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Old January 5th, 2008, 02:19 PM   #706
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Which is true, like one said, the compression can be higher in an engine that runs on higher octane and that results in generally better fuel consumption. It's not much like some said, probably around 1km more on a liter but it's still there. It also helps acceleration and because it burns better you also have less unburned fuel going out of the exaustpipe, making it better for the environment.

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As I understand, you only must use higher octane rating fuel if your engine starts giving you problems known as "knocking" and that is serious problem.
Yes, if your engine is specially made for high octane fuel, and you run on too low octane your engine can start 'knocking' which could eventually result into total destruction of the engine. But as you can hear this, just fill it up the next time with higher octane fuel.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 04:41 PM   #707
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So i think you can say the American and Russian engines are less sophisticated?
In a way, yes


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It's not much like some said, probably around 1km more on a liter but it's still there.
I'd say that's way too optimistic in normal circumstances.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 06:06 PM   #708
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The Dutch gas price (euro 95 gasoline) has risen to €1,538. That is the equivalent of US $ 8,557 per gallon. That gives some perspective to the Americans who says their $ 3 per gallon is expensive... Super plus (98 gasoline) even hits € 1,603 per liter that is the equivalent to $ 8,919 per gallon.
We are so lucky with the low dollar rate

Just imagine what if the dollar was as high as well, ... eh.. 5 years ago??
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Old January 5th, 2008, 08:34 PM   #709
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@Realek:
Yeah, that's true it would be in the most optimal circumstances. Still it would save you a bit of fuel. Especially if the engine is made for it.

Topgear for example tested the Shell V-power (the current version of superplus at shell I believe) and if you have a small engine it doesn't help anything but if you have a turbo engine or just a powerful injection etc it saves does give you extra around 2% extra power and fuelconsumption.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #710
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We are so lucky with the low dollar rate

Just imagine what if the dollar was as high as well, ... eh.. 5 years ago??
It doesnt matter much, only a few eurocents. 70% of the gasoline price is taxes, so the government is the biggest winner here.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 02:32 AM   #711
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Old January 11th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #712
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hi all. this was the first time i took pictures of a highway(just got my driver's license). I was driving from Arnhem(NL) to Kleve(D) so there are also some Deutsche autobahn pics. The highway part is 23 km long. they are taken with my mobile so sorry for the bad quality. next time i will bring a better camera with me.

A12/3/E35


this is the A12 near Duiven



near zevenaar


almost at the border



germany! how easy was that crossing a border with 120 km/h(after the bordercrossing i accelerated a bit more). there only was one german policecar and two Dutch policecars




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bridge near Emmerich.

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Old January 11th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #713
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You just added html code. You need the [img] tag-codes.

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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:43 PM   #714
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You just added html code. You need the [img] tag-codes.

thanks i had some trouble with that. I have added more now.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:30 PM   #715
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Nice pix and congrats on driving license.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 09:53 AM   #716
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You immediatly make highwaypictures after getting your driving licence? Nice route, anyway. I especially like the bridge at Emmerich, though I don't often take that route. I usually take A325/B9 if I'm going to germany.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #717
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No i got it about 2 months now but this was the first time i did this.

and yes almost every time i take the A325/B9 route but i hate it when the A325 is jammed at the waalbrug(at nijmegen).
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Old January 12th, 2008, 06:28 PM   #718
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50 foot truck blown away on the A16 Moerdijkbrug

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Old January 13th, 2008, 12:26 AM   #719
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Translation:

A16 Ring Rotterdam: Rotterdam -> Breda
between Rotterdam-Centrum and Rotterdam-Feijenoord 2km traffic jam,
Soccer game at the parallel lane

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Old January 13th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #720
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50 foot truck blown away on the A16 Moerdijkbrug
50 foot?

Imperial units used by Dutchman in thread about Dutch motorways:

(and also, it's wrong, should say 50 feet)
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