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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #7261
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and these dunes are needed. For these few days are year that the weather allows mass transit to the beaches, people will have to put up with it.
I disagree, won't hurt much at all to have more roads leading to the coast through the dunes imo.

All the paid parking is ridiculous too. People drive there to be on the beach, not for the dunes.
I miss more boulevard area's like in Scheveningen or something like the beach on Nesselande.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 02:12 PM   #7262
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Well thats your opinion. Maybe Belgium is a better place for you. Holland is a small country, so it doesn´t hurt to at least leave the coast line in tact, and have some peace and quiet. You know as well as I do, that the weather in Holland is generally shit (one of the reasons I left) and only because there are a very few warmer days right now, people are crying and shouting for better roads to the coast, which will be deserted any other day of the year.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #7263
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I fully agree.

When I need some fresh sea air, I will always visit the Dutch coastline. Everything is better than that horrific Belgian Atlantic wall.
By the way, visiting the Belgian coast is all about traffic jams and no parking place...
That's because tons of people, including tens of thousands of Dutch people flock to the Belgian coast when it's nice weather. It's ugly indeed, primairly because the ugly 70ties appartment blocks but I think Belgium makes good money out of that tourism
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Old May 28th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #7264
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Belgium has a very narrow strip of coast to serve its 11 million inhabitants. The Netherlands has a far longer coastline with beaches, but also serves a large population and is relatively poorly accessible. Especially the Haarlem area has always been problematic, due to the lack of decent north-south and east-west routes through the city.

It's just too bad the Frisian / Groningen coast is swampy instead of beachy. There's hardly any quiet beaches on warm days in the Netherlands. Especially in the coming months when hundreds of thousands of Germans populate Zeeland (and pour much-needed euros in the local economy). Zeeland beaches generally have much better access, especially those near the N57 highway (the dams).
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Old May 28th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #7265
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How is the water temperature on the Dutch seaside during summer? I'm sure that it's colder than the Mediteranean coastline (but I also guess that it's colder than Romanian seaside).
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Old May 28th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #7266
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About 21 - 22 C I suppose. I don't go to the beach much, too crowded.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #7267
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About 21 - 22 C I suppose. I don't go to the beach much, too crowded.
Seaside climates are strange. It can be 20°C 500m inland but on the beach itself temps can be 25°C...
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #7268
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About 21 - 22 C I suppose. I don't go to the beach much, too crowded.
The islands are much better than the mainland. Scheveningen is nice for a short straw or sitting on the coushions with cup of chocolate in an early spring or so. But not really interesting in a hot summer.

Its true that Friesland and Groningen have really not much to get from the sea, but there are the islands.

Anyway, my expectations as to the spending much of the summer time by the seaside in the NL were not fullfilled . I guess it can be nice living in Den Haag or somewhere near the coast but further away the troubles outweights the benefits and in fact it is almost the same as going on a regular holliday.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #7269
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Beaches at Katwijk, Noordwijk and further up are reasonable accessible I would say...
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #7270
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Deserted motorway...
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #7271
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More downgrading. The former German A61 border crossing at Venlo. This is the Dutch part:

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I'm sure the road is much safer now, without a crash barrier and with a new ditch right next to the lane.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #7272
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #7273
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Since they´ve opened up that new motorway link with the A61, there wouldn´t be much traffic there anyway...
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #7274
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Since they´ve opened up that new motorway link with the A61, there wouldn´t be much traffic there anyway...
Yeah, but, as Chris stated, the old road was definately a lot safer than the new one. More, I can say that repaving the old road every 10 years would have been cheaper than doing this extreme downgrading to it...

@Chris: it looks like NL has too many motorways and you want to get rid of them. Romania doesn't have motorways but be want them. Could you export some km of old motorway in Romania?
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #7275
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Those concrete blocks next to the old road are not exactly safe either.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:57 PM   #7276
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No it wsn't safer because of 2 lanes and the shops on the side. Anyway I yet have to see such thing happening in Belgium
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Old May 28th, 2012, 10:10 PM   #7277
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Belgium has a very narrow strip of coast to serve its 11 million inhabitants.
I don't understand all these people heading for the coast the moment the sun comes out... It's way too crowded for me.

Btw, there are some nice towns on the coastline without the 'ugly' atlantic wall: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1200625

But personally I prefer the tranquility of the Ardennes. It's a pleasure to drive there
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Old May 28th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #7278
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Since they´ve opened up that new motorway link with the A61, there wouldn´t be much traffic there anyway...
Not an excuse imho to ruin a good 2x2 road with good overtaking possibility's by a duurzaam debiel **** road.

You think that little traffic that still went over it wouldn't be happier driving over a 2x2 road instead of that crap they built now ? Duurzaam veilig has to be the most ridiculous subsidy absorber there is.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #7279
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I am more thinking in the lines of: With all the mass traffic and freight being diverted, there is not much point having a dual carriageway there, when hardly anyone is going to use it, and it will only cost extra in maintenance.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 10:31 PM   #7280
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I am more thinking in the lines of: With all the mass traffic and freight being diverted, there is not much point having a dual carriageway there, when hardly anyone is going to use it, and it will only cost extra in maintenance.
Is maintaining a DC really more expensive than what they did to that road ?

And there is no harm in a 2x2 DC even for very little traffic, it makes a nicer driving experience. I am of the opinion Provincial roads should be layed 2x2 lanes standard, to provide a decent alternative to the highways.
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