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Old January 16th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #741
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The mentioned aquaduct from above...




The tunnel beside the motorway.. is a traintunnel
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Old January 16th, 2008, 07:17 PM   #742
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It looks magnificent, but yeah, needs widening
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:32 AM   #743
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The mentioned aquaduct from above...




The tunnel beside the motorway.. is a traintunnel
Now that is very nice.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:02 AM   #744
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We've got lots of them, though.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:30 AM   #745
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Yeah river crossings are almost always problematic.

Jammed bridges-tunnels-aquaducts:

A1 Deventer
A2 Hedel
A4 Ringvaart Aquaduct
A6 Hollandse Brug
A9 Haarlem
A10 Coentunnel
A12 Arnhem
A15 Spijkenisse
A16 Brienenoordbrug
A16 Moerdijkbrug
A16 Drechttunnel
A20 Cortland Aquaduct
A27 Merwede Bridge
A28 IJssel Bridge Zwolle
A29 Heinenoord tunnel
A50 Waal Bridge
A50 Rhine Bridge
A58 Vlake Tunnel (summer only)
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Old January 17th, 2008, 10:09 AM   #746
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A27 Gorinchem - Almere
tussen Noordeloos en Bilthoven
25 km langzaam rijdend verkeer (vertraging: meer dan 20 min)

Almere - Gorinchem
tussen Huizen en Maarssen
17 km langzaam rijdend verkeer door een ongeval
I think you guys get the clue. This A27 is a disaster.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 12:45 AM   #747
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I tried to make a map that explains the heavy traffic flows from an area that looks very rural.

The area within the dotted area is 25 miles E-W and 14 miles N-S or 40km and 23km

This is the commuter belt of Utrecht. Although it looks very rural, the traffic jams on the A2 and A27 are one of the worst in the Netherlands.

The two north-south motorways shown (A27 to the west, and A2 to the east), are the only possibilities to cross the river on the area shown on the map.

[IMG]http://i26.************/2wbsrxh.png[/IMG]
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Old January 19th, 2008, 03:17 PM   #748
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Dutch hectometerpaaltje (hectometre sign). You see this sign each 100m (1hm = 100m) beside a highway or normal road.

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Old January 19th, 2008, 04:03 PM   #749
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I like it very much. Green and red go well together, they are complementary colors.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 04:23 PM   #750
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I like it very much. Green and red go well together, they are complementary colors.
On some roads, you also see the speedlimit on the signs:


A few years ago (untill 2000) we had different hectometre signs with less information:

Left: New sign, Right: Old sign.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 04:26 PM   #751
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^ What do "Li" and "Re" respectively stand for?
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Old January 19th, 2008, 04:35 PM   #752
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Re or Li means the right (Re) or left (Li) roadway, looking in the direction where the numbering of distance is rising.
(I hope you understand this, my English isn't very well)
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Old January 19th, 2008, 04:38 PM   #753
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^ Makes sense. Btw, I like these green-red signs more than the green-yellow ones (on ordinary roads), the green-red color combination is really great.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #754
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The last few days, there is political rumour about the 7 kilometers of A4 will be constructed after over 40 years between Delft and Schiedam. This much-needed motorway will relieve the A13 motorway between The Hague and Rotterdam, which is usually jammed for it's entire length every day.

Some pics of the dike already constructed in the 1960's;

1. To the right: Interchange Kethelplein, A4 and A20.
[IMG]http://i5.************/6olj15j.jpg[/IMG]

2. Along the the path of the A4, the zone has been kept construction free.
[IMG]http://i16.************/7yhmqa8.jpg[/IMG]

3. The future A4 is already visible by it's dike, build in the 1960's.
[IMG]http://i16.************/7yehnnp.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 19th, 2008, 08:56 PM   #755
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Why dit it take so long to start building it? It doesn't seem difficult for a 7Km road
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Old January 19th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #756
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Why dit it take so long to start building it? It doesn't seem difficult for a 7Km road
NIMBY-behaviour by the city of Schiedam, and lots of opposition by environmentalists and indecision by the past 20 governments or so.

You should hear the budget of this plan; a idiotic € 600 million for 7000 meters.

But lots of people here think; "first see, then believe". This is like planning disaster #1 in Dutch history.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #757
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O: Why that much? 85€M/KM its way too expensive and looking at that pictures they don't seem to expropriate
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Old January 19th, 2008, 09:45 PM   #758
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I think if they had the same circumstances in Poland or China, they would be able to build this motorway for € 10 million.

But the latest info available says the whole dike will be removed, and the motorway will be dug into the ground to reduce the impact on the environment.

Possibly, all procedures and planning have cost more than the actual construction budget.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 10:48 PM   #759
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Even so, in my home town they enlarged the highway, bypassing the city outskirts, and it costed 50€M for 15 Kilometers, 5Km of them where dug as well, to reduce impact. Since they found many rocks, explosives were used sometimes. The terrain was quite difficult, a friend of mine wanted to build a swiming pool at their home and they had the same problem

They also had to pay for many expropriated houses, and paid quite well as it seems. There was strong local opposition but the project was built anyway. The road opened in 2006 and handles an average of less than 30.000 vehicles a day, though much more in summertime.

I mean, even if we have slightly lower prices then The Netherlands, costs are extremely different. And it's not that we are China!
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Old January 20th, 2008, 11:38 AM   #760
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If u call the rocks on Mallorca 'quite difficult' ...

The seven kilometers are located in a area where its almost impossible to built a road... Most countries would call it a swamp... In the west of the Netherlands (= Holland ) It is everywhere like that... and even after the tried to make the motorway it sinks. Other people can gice a much better explanation then me
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