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Old July 4th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #7621
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Not a couple of times, I'm there all the time, traveling between Calais and Amsterdam, Friesland, northern Germany or Scandinavia. Congestions I get in other places en route, but less likely on the A58.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 05:20 PM   #7622
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A58 is very busy between Tilburg and St. Annenbosch.

The slightest disruption will slow down traffic a lot, or cause jams.

Moreover, it is a route with a lot of truck traffic.

If I need to drive up north, I'll rather take my chances on N261+A59 outside peak times (because interchange Hooipolder sucks big time as well on peak).

Tilburg is actually surrounded by underdesign/undercapacity road links: A65 is incomplete towards 's-Hertogenbosch, N261 has 4 traffic lights 'till A59, and A65 is heavily trafficked.

Breda, 's-Hertobenbosch, Endinhoven and Bergen op Zoom, on the contrary, all have great roads surrounding them (u/c in the later case).
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Old July 4th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #7623
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Old July 4th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #7624
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Why? I've hardly ever got stuck in traffic there, apart from minimum delays on the intersection onto the A16 towards Antwerp.
The traffic is appalling there anywhere between 8am-7pm, random jams very often.
The whole area is a chaos if an accident happens, I was stuck for 40 minutes there because they had to close 1 lane for an accident. And in the other direction there was at least a 10 km jam too iirc despite nothing happened there, along with the A27 nearby which became a chaos too.



There needs to be FAR more redundancy against incidents so more capacity, 80.000 vehicles per day is calling for an upgrade... Now if someone farts you have a traffic jam there.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #7625
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The whole area is a chaos if an accident happens, I was stuck for 40 minutes there because they had to close 1 lane for an accident. And in the other direction there was at least a 10 km jam too iirc despite nothing happened there, along with the A27 nearby which became a chaos too.
Same thing near us. A truck broke down near Roosendaal, at interchange 'De Stok' a few days ago: 1 lane was closed, the traffic jam started at interchange 'Markiezaat': 18 km...
Ad today there was an accident just east of Bergen Op Zoom 1 lane was closed. The traffic jam started in Belgium: 20 km


PS: you have a dashcam?
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Old July 4th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #7626
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Same thing near us. A truck broke down near Roosendaal, at interchange 'De Stok' a few days ago: 1 lane was closed, the traffic jam started at interchange 'Markiezaat': 18 km...
Ad today there was an accident just east of Bergen Op Zoom 1 lane was closed. The traffic jam started in Belgium: 20 km


PS: you have a dashcam?
I occasionally record things with my telephone. Using Dailyroads Voyager as that one links video with GPS data . Samsung Galaxy s2...

That day I didn't have a car holder with me and just jammed my phone between the dashboard and windscreen, hence it falling over near the end .

I also have a mini ''keychain'' camera, them 6 euro ebay ones, I used to record with that occasionally but I want GPS data too hence using the phone.

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Old July 4th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #7627
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Well duh, if lanes are blocked due to an accident, in the whole area you get irregularities anywhere. Tell me something else that is new, they might as well build a motorway in the jungle. Welcome to Concrete City...
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Old July 4th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #7628
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Excuse me for finding it unacceptable that when 1 lane is losed it immediately causes 20 kms of traffic jam (not taking in account the traffic jam on the A4 from Steenbergen (3 kms) and the A58 from Vlissingen (4 km) and numerous local roads)

Of course it's logic that when there's a lane closed on a highway, a traffic jam formes. But it's the size of that traffic jam I'm talking about:

For example: today on the A2 near Breukelen there were animals on the road: there was 1 lane closed but only 3 kms of traffic jam. Resason? The widening to 2x5 lanes.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #7629
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The traffic is appalling there anywhere between 8am-7pm, random jams very often.
The whole area is a chaos if an accident happens, I was stuck for 40 minutes there because they had to close 1 lane for an accident. And in the other direction there was at least a 10 km jam too iirc despite nothing happened there, along with the A27 nearby which became a chaos too.

There needs to be FAR more redundancy against incidents so more capacity, 80.000 vehicles per day is calling for an upgrade... Now if someone farts you have a traffic jam there.
Try the British M25. Without any accident, just volume of traffic, I have regularly heard delays of 2-3 hours on a Friday evening, with queues sometimes over 80km long. As I said, that's with no incidents. Normal evening traffic tends to be a traffic queue up to 30km long with a 30 minute to 1 hour delay. The alternative to these almost guaranteed queues are to drive through an urban area or to drive down the farm tracks we call our off-motorway road network.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #7630
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Try the British M25. Without any accident, just volume of traffic, I have regularly heard delays of 2-3 hours on a Friday evening, with queues sometimes over 80km long. As I said, that's with no incidents. Normal evening traffic tends to be a traffic queue up to 30km long with a 30 minute to 1 hour delay. The alternative to these almost guaranteed queues are to drive through an urban area or to drive down the farm tracks we call our off-motorway road network.
That's 'great' and all that but if you want super long queues and delays either pick one of the remaining non-upgraded motorways near our biggest cities or look back a couple of years where more than 10% of our national network was congested twice every day (this still happens but a little less frequently after all the widenings).

The thing with a lot of 'rural' motorways in general and the A58 in particular is that even while they only connect mid-sized cities both residential and commercial densities are very high and spread-out. That's how you get 2x2 unupgraded roads to clog up between what in UK terms might as well be Tyne- and Teesside.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 08:27 PM   #7631
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Old July 6th, 2012, 05:12 PM   #7632
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A12 Utrecht - Veenendaal widening

The third lane of A12 opened to traffic today, westbound from Driebergen to Bunnik. The third lane in the eastbound direction will open Sunday. This is part of the larger upgrade of the A12 motorway to a six-lane facility between Utrecht and Arnhem.

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Old July 7th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #7633
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Around Rozenburg + Noordzeeweg

I got some pictures of Rozenburg's ring road and a small, 10km long road over a that take us the to the core of Rotterdam Port's shipping activity

Old-style road markings




IT's a looong straight road


Here, the Maeslantkeringhuis (a huge storm flood barrier). It translates as Maas (river) gate house.


At the very end of the road, there is a vantage point from where we can have an excellent view of the port and the road itself


Stena Line ships, they are ferries carrying vehicles and passengers to Norwich, UK


Unexpected bonus: the Berge Stahl was just docked on the other side! She is the heaviest bulk ship cargo in the World.


Rozenburg ring road, south section. It doesn't get more neat than this.


N15 bridge. A15 goes through a tunnel.


Wind breaking wall. Those HUGE concrete plates are designed to reduce wind impact on a nearby terminal that receives vehicle-carrying vessels, which are apparently very sensitive to wind when loading or unloading (don't know why/how).
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Old July 7th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #7634
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A2 near Utrecht

Newest part of the Leidsche Rijn tunnel
(South>>> North, recently opened)



From the North side of Utrecht, looking southbound


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Wind breaking wall. Those HUGE concrete plates are designed to reduce wind impact on a nearby terminal that receives vehicle-carrying vessels, which are apparently very sensitive to wind when loading or unloading (don't know why/how).
The windbreakers are there to help ships navigate through the Callandbrug (road/railbridge).
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Old July 9th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #7636
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The busiest motorway in the tallest city.


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Old July 9th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #7637
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That's really a spectacular view to be honest.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #7638
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I love the view when driving on that bridge from the south to the north, looking at the Rotterdam skyline. It might be one of the best places on the Rotterdam Ring road to look at it.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #7639
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I do to. The only thing I don't like, is every time I'm near that bridge, they open that damn thing. As if they are waiting for me...
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #7640
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Really? It only opens once or twice a day on average. About 500 openings per year. 140.000 ships pass under it annually.
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