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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:55 AM   #7681
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Thats just because you Anglo-Saxons keep calling our country "the Netherlands" (plural). Officially it's correct, but the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Koninkrijk der Nederlanden) calls itself in Dutch "Nederland", so no plural. Perhaps time to change it in English as well to "Netherland" - or even better: just "Nederland" ? I think it can't be that difficult to pronounce...
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Old July 18th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #7682
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Old July 18th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #7683
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Thats just because you Anglo-Saxons keep calling our country "the Netherlands" (plural). Officially it's correct, but the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Koninkrijk der Nederlanden) calls itself in Dutch "Nederland", so no plural. Perhaps time to change it in English as well to "Netherland" - or even better: just "Nederland" ? I think it can't be that difficult to pronounce...
I - like most Americans - don't have a drop of Anglo-Saxon blood. "Anglo-Saxon" is what the French call Americans and Brits when they want to complain about us ganging up on them. Usually when the Brits are having the gall (so to speak) to - gasp - not do what the French define as being good Europeans. In English, Anglo-Saxon pretty much refers to the Germanic peoples who settled in England 1500 years ago, and to their language.

And perhaps it's time for Dutch people to stop trying to change the English language. :-P
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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #7684
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Oh, this is just the beginning. See it as a form of revenge for all those English words which have become part of Dutch today...
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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #7685
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Nobody has forced the Dutch to use English in their language. They have decided that for themselves in order to look American. Thank god for France who are trying harder to preserve their language.
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Old July 19th, 2012, 04:35 PM   #7686
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1970's overhead road signage was lit from below because these signs weren't reflective back in those days. This photo was taken in 1977.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #7687
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By the way, I have no idea how Texans actually pronounce "Nederland," but I'm guessing it isn't pretty.

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Old July 20th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #7688
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Old July 20th, 2012, 02:59 AM   #7689
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1970's overhead road signage was lit from below because these signs weren't reflective back in those days. This photo was taken in 1977.

Were there also signs with back lights?
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Old July 20th, 2012, 10:44 AM   #7690
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There were some signs that were internally lit, but by far not as common as they were in Belgium.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 07:02 PM   #7691
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Construction of the Sluiskil Tunnel near Terneuzen. It will be a bored tunnel, rather uncommon in the Netherlands.
Financed, as I recall, by the provincial government who purchased the Western Scheldt tunnel from the national government and used its toll money to fund most of the construction costs of the Sluiskil tunnel. Political sensitivities in Zeeland are such that any future provincial government will see itself forced to cancel the tolls on the Western Scheldt tunnel the second the Sluiskil tunnel has been completely paid for. Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is home to about one third of voters in Zeeland province and they deeply dislike the tolls. They feel it makes them 2nd rate citizens because they can't enter the rest of the country without paying a surcharge. Political parties in Zeeland are already having significant trouble explaining that the tolls, for now, are necessary and they are spent on improving the infrastructure on Zeeuws-Vlaanderen. But that argument has failed to take away frustrations among the population.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 08:10 PM   #7692
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Is it really the "end of the World" to travel to the rest of NL via Antwerpen? (Though, ironically, the shortest route under Antwerpen docks is also tolled)
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Old July 21st, 2012, 08:27 PM   #7693
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Is it really the "end of the World" to travel to the rest of NL via Antwerpen? (Though, ironically, the shortest route under Antwerpen docks is also tolled)
Afaik Antwepen is a traffic chaos...
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On the other hand its questionable to have the national tax payer pay for a very expensive but not nationally important link in the fringes of the country. I think tolls can be justified some time, for instance when it would be a project of regional importance with exceptionally high costs. One of my pipe dreams a is a toll tunnel to Texel island. Another link that has been studied is an IJmeer (Lake IJ) toll bridge between Almere and Amsterdam.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 11:53 PM   #7695
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Is it really the "end of the World" to travel to the rest of NL via Antwerpen? (Though, ironically, the shortest route under Antwerpen docks is also tolled)
Depends on where you need to be, doesn't it? For years the provincial government has nurtured and expanded ties between the sea ports of Terneuzen and Vlissingen, for example. Other fields of business have joined in this cross-Schelde embrace. That means there are significant flows of business traffic between Middelburg/Vlissingen/Goes and Zeeuws-Vlaanderen. Nobody in his right mind would travel from Terneuzen to Middelburg (the capital) via Antwerp.

Similar arguments apply to day trips and shopping trips. Many people from Zeeuws-Vlaanderen enjoy shopping on the other side of the Schelde.

So the attitude in Zeeuws-Vlaanderen can be summed up as follows: "If you want to include us more, remove the tolls." And they have a point. On the one hand, the provincial government keeps stressing the unity and inter-island relations of the region, while on the other hand that same government keeps practical barriers (tolls) intact.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 01:21 AM   #7696
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How was the situation before the tunnels, aka, with ferries?

PS: I support the idea of tolls for a Texeltunnel and some causeway from the continent to Terschelling and other to Ameland
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 03:04 PM   #7697
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1970's overhead road signage was lit from below because these signs weren't reflective back in those days. This photo was taken in 1977.

I went looking for that junction on Streetview to see how it looked now, but could not find it. Has that section of the N44 since been upgraded to A44?
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The photo was taken here
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 03:42 PM   #7699
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The Benelux half stack interchange near Rotterdam. It was once planned as a full stack, but A4 has not yet been extended south. The construction of the subway to Spijkenisse in the early 1990s has not made a future full interchange any easier, though not impossible.

Behind the interchange is the Shell Pernis refinery, the largest refinery in Europe with a daily capacity of 416,000 barrels. Nearby are another 4 refineries, including one of 400,000 and 195,000 bbl/day and two of 80,000 bbl/day.

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A12 Gouda - Utrecht

An aerial photo of the recently completed widening of A12 between Gouda and Utrecht. The motorway now features 2x4 lanes between the two cities. Notice the westbound direction has a dynamically opened "plus lane", while the eastbound direction has a permanent #1 lane. This was done due to procedural difficulties in the past.

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