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Old August 3rd, 2012, 04:56 PM   #7761
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A12 Utrecht - Veenendaal widening

Here's a video of the road widening that was completed today

The battery died prematurely, so I could only record from Utrecht to Maarn. I filmed the whole section on the return trip when I got the camera on the charger. However, this eastbound section is interesting because of the way how the lanes are reduced. It goes from 4 regular lanes, to 3 lanes + plus lane, to 2 lanes + plus lane.

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Old August 3rd, 2012, 07:37 PM   #7762
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Most provinces have it, only in Flevoland / Friesland / Drenthe / Groningen they are less excessive with passing bans.

It's generally respected (mainly because increasingly few people know how to pass), but I see people crossing the lines from time to time.
At least people will go up to the maximum speed and do 100, unlike in Austria where people intend to do 70 or 80 on 100 roads. Especially German tourists are bastards for that. Of course even in Holland you get stuck behind a slow moving lorry.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 07:54 PM   #7763
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At least people will go up to the maximum speed and do 100,
Are you sure you were in The Netherlands?
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 08:26 PM   #7764
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Did they finally make that bridge for pedestrians and bicycles only? So many accidents have happened there over the years, I couldn't count them. I'm not a fan of banning cars, but frankly it was necessary on that bridge.
Yes, finally...
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 08:45 PM   #7765
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Are you sure you were in The Netherlands?
Well they did yesterday.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 09:13 PM   #7766
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They saw you coming.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #7767
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A12 Utrecht - Veenendaal widening

Some photos from the only viaduct across the widened A12

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A12 Laagerfseweg-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A12 Laagerfseweg-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A12 Laagerfseweg-6 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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Old August 4th, 2012, 12:35 AM   #7768
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I see so many drivers willing to use that third lane...
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Old August 4th, 2012, 12:46 AM   #7769
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Well, they could've combined closing the third lane with truck overtaking ban...
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Old August 4th, 2012, 10:48 AM   #7770
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That's why I don't like these "plus lanes". Even though overall volumes are not high enough to justify 3 lanes, you're always stuck behind some slowpoke at some point. The empty lane next to you is very inviting at those times.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 12:34 PM   #7771
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How wide is this lane ?
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Old August 4th, 2012, 12:50 PM   #7772
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Approximately 3 meters. The whole carriageway (shoulder + lane + lane + plus lane) is 13.40 meters wide.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #7773
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Chris, do you have to submit enviromental reports when plus lanes are constructed (thus requiring new sound barriers, ecoducts)?
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Old August 4th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #7774
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Yes, they do have to complete a full EIA. When these "plus lanes" were envisioned in the 1990s it was said to be faster with less chances for appeals. However, nowadays it doesn't matter whether you construct plus lanes or regular lanes.

I really hope they will change these plus lanes into permanent 120 km/h third lanes, the reason of which you will see in my next video.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #7775
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If you look closely you can see that that lane can be widened from 3,00 m to 3,50 m very easely. There is enough space in the middle. They just have to move the crash barriers inside a little bit and you get a fully functional 3+3 motorway.

I don't like this plus lane ideea when you can do a proper lane instead.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #7776
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I don't like the way the Dutch are building their lanes full stop. The entire newly refurbished A2 has nothing but lanes turning into exit slip roads or merging lanes turning into proper through lanes. When you drive their at night you do nothing then changing lanes without overtaking. I like the lanes on my motorways to be used for overtaking only, with normal entry and exit slip roads.
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I really hope they will change these plus lanes into permanent 120 km/h third lanes, the reason of which you will see in my next video.
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What are the advantages of the plus lane over a permanent extra third lane? Lower maintenance cost?
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Old August 4th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #7779
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They used to be faster procedures. Now it does not have any advantage.

Some plus lanes are very narrow though, for instance the plus lanes in Zwolle could have only be constructed as regular lanes at a substantially higher cost, but that is not the case of A12.
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Old August 5th, 2012, 01:00 AM   #7780
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I don't like the way the Dutch are building their lanes full stop. The entire newly refurbished A2 has nothing but lanes turning into exit slip roads or merging lanes turning into proper through lanes. When you drive their at night you do nothing then changing lanes without overtaking. I like the lanes on my motorways to be used for overtaking only, with normal entry and exit slip roads.
Aye, it's annoying. "In theory, this motorway goes all the way to Utrecht, but not if you stay in this lane." What?

Stupid.
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