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Old August 5th, 2012, 04:49 AM   #7781
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A12 Ede - Utrecht: widened 2x3
Why isn't the third lane open all the time?
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Old August 5th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #7782
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traffic volumes

The 2011 traffic counts are now in.

These are the 7 busiest road segments in the Netherlands (annual average workday traffic).

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Old August 5th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #7783
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I don't like the way the Dutch are building their lanes full stop. The entire newly refurbished A2 has nothing but lanes turning into exit slip roads or merging lanes turning into proper through lanes. When you drive their at night you do nothing then changing lanes without overtaking. I like the lanes on my motorways to be used for overtaking only, with normal entry and exit slip roads.
I never understood what the problem is, changing lanes is erm ? Normal...
Keeps people active rather than packs of sheep who do nothing but stare at the one in front... You're supposed to check your mirrors every minute or even every 30 seconds anyway...

The roads are built the way they are to handle the specific traffic flows I guess.

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The 2011 traffic counts are now in.

These are the 7 busiest road segments in the Netherlands (annual average workday traffic).
Wow, Brienenoord lost its first place, and wow at the traffic on the A10...

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Old August 5th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #7784
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Officially every 7 seconds.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #7785
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Aye, it's annoying. "In theory, this motorway goes all the way to Utrecht, but not if you stay in this lane." What?

Stupid.
I always drive in the left lane so never have that problem
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Old August 6th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #7786
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Officially every 7 seconds.
There is no 'official' rule for that. You just need to check regularly. In busy city-traffic every 7 seconds might be too few, driving during night on a empty motorway it could even be quite much.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #7787
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My driving instructor told me a month ago that you have to check mirrors every 7 sec. Of course it's not a hard number, but it was just to show that it's definitely more than 30 sec
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Old August 6th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #7788
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You forget all about that once you gain driving experience. Experience is much more important than those few hours of driving lessons. A week ago I drove more hours in 5 days than during all my driving lessons combined.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #7789
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My driving instructor told me a month ago that you have to check mirrors every 7 sec. Of course it's not a hard number, but it was just to show that it's definitely more than 30 sec
Do you drive a 1981 DeLorean?
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Old August 6th, 2012, 10:25 PM   #7790
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yes... If you say so...


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Old August 6th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #7791
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I always drive in the left lane so never have that problem
I hope you live in a country that drives on the left.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #7792
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Which mirrors do you guys use more? I really rely on the rear view mirror to keep track of what's going on behind me most of the time. I really only use the side mirrors right before/during a maneuver that requires it (switching lanes, taking a turn).
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #7793
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On highway driving, I use the side mirrors much more often then the rear mirror.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #7794
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I almost never use the rear view mirror, only the side mirrors. That comes from driving a loaded van for work all the time.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #7795
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I use all on mirrors if they are existing in the vehicle and sometimes even rear camera which display on my cockpit
Problem is, drivers generally don't look into mirrors... and then they are very surprised when something rapidly is happening around them.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #7796
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The Dutch do have a habit of throwing their vehicles on the outside lane without looking. Very annoying. I use side mirrors only.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #7797
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I agreeee!! That's why after so many years of frequent driving in NL I am not surprised when car with NL sticker (Nur Links - like Germans say ) without any attestation is moving to left lane! Try to do it in Germany or France, Poland... In Poland is even forbidden by law...
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Old August 7th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #7798
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My experience is actually the opposite. When I drive in Germany, especially on two lane freeways, after taking over a truck, I move back to the right lane to better use the road capacity. But by the time I arrive at the next truck, the left lane is full of Germans, who don't let any space to allow me to pass the truck. So the choice is to either reduce speed to the truck speed, or just move to the left, even if there is not a lot of space. After doing the first thing a couple of times, I am kind of done with that.

If some of these Germans would actually leave some space for cars to pass trucks, it wouldn't be such an issue.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 02:27 PM   #7799
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And there is the Dutch problem: 'they don't leave me any space.' You do not have the right of way if you want to move to an overtaking lane, and nobody is under any obligation to leave you any space. You have to wait until there is enough room to move over, and especially in Germany you need to think well in advance before you consider manouvring lanes. You have to use your instinct and your brains, instead of moaning that nobody lets you in. Do it correctly, and you don't even have to slow down that much.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #7800
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What bothers me is that people here tend to come onto a faster lane with the incorrect speed (too slow). They don't seem to understand you should gather speed *before* you come onto a fast lane.
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