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Old August 12th, 2012, 08:08 PM   #7901
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Old August 12th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #7902
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The third-to-last picture in Palance's set is the second one I've seen on this thread today of a Dutch sign with the word "route" appearing ahead of the route number. Is there a reason for that? Seems redundant to me.

(Also, off topic but just as a point of linguistic interest, in the U.S. "dyke" is spelled "dike" when it means barrier. "Dyke" with a Y means lesbian here.)
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Old August 12th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #7903
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This is the main road plan of 1966. The Netherlands had 12.5 million inhabitants at that time and was projected to grow to 20 million by the year 2000. Most of these main roads were planned to be motorways.



The vast majority of the plans were not executed, and even at today's traffic problems, the Netherlands does not need such an extensive motorway network.

The bold line are the motorways that were completed by 1966. The single solid lines were single-carriageway main roads, most of which were upgraded to a motorway in later years. Much of the dashed routes were not built.

The Netherlands currently has just over 16.5 million inhabitants.

The 1966 road plan was by far the most ambitious road plan ever. The oil crises of the 1970s and increased environmental movement and lobby scaled these plans back significantly.
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Old August 12th, 2012, 10:31 PM   #7904
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Says here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verzorgingsplaats that the word "verzorgingplaats" is used "specifically in the Netherlands." So what do they say in Flanders?
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Old August 12th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #7905
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A "verzorgingsplaats" is more jargon than daily speech in the Netherlands. Most people just call it a "parkeerplaats".
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Old August 12th, 2012, 11:21 PM   #7906
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This is the main road plan of 1966. The Netherlands had 12.5 million inhabitants at that time and was projected to grow to 20 million by the year 2000. Most of these main roads were planned to be motorways.



The vast majority of the plans were not executed, and even at today's traffic problems, the Netherlands does not need such an extensive motorway network.

The bold line are the motorways that were completed by 1966. The single solid lines were single-carriageway main roads, most of which were upgraded to a motorway in later years. Much of the dashed routes were not built.

The Netherlands currently has just over 16.5 million inhabitants.

The 1966 road plan was by far the most ambitious road plan ever. The oil crises of the 1970s and increased environmental movement and lobby scaled these plans back significantly.
Is this for real? It means a motorway connection for every village, like upgrading to motorway standards all SS and SP routes in Italy . Nobody would need a such project and no country in the world has a so dense network.
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Old August 12th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #7907
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You have to understand that motorways with more than 4 lanes were an unknown concept at the time. I think only the A13 and parts of A16 had 6 lanes at that time. If we would distribute the existing (and needed) capacity over motorways with 2x2 lanes, you'll get a network that would look somewhat like this, especially in central Netherlands.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #7908
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We don't need it, but it would be great if we had that road network.

Decent alternatives to every route, more redundancy, far more relaxed (emptier roads) and faster driving...
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Old August 13th, 2012, 10:48 AM   #7909
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The 1966 "Structuurschema" has never been an official roadplan. The 1968 Rijkswegenplan was vast (and based on the 1966 Structuurschema), but not that dense.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #7910
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Kerensheide interchange

The new flyover at the Kerensheide motorway interchange will open to traffic wednesday night. This flyover carries traffic from Eindhoven towards Heerlen.


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Old August 16th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #7911
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The flyover opened at 1 am sharp.



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Old August 16th, 2012, 02:06 PM   #7912
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Typical Dutch sign with everything that is forbidden, of course with exceptions.


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Old August 17th, 2012, 01:20 AM   #7913
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Those are also common in Germany
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Old August 17th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #7914
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And Italy. And you are required to read them doing considerable speeds.
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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #7915
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It needn't be that complicated, all you need to keep the beaches nice is three rules:

1) No animals.
2) Don't litter.
3) Don't be a moron.
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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:10 PM   #7916
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Typical Dutch sign with everything that is forbidden, of course with exceptions.


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What does the 6th sign (from left to right) means?
And why the hell rubber mattresses and rings are forbidden on the beach?
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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:12 PM   #7917
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It needn't be that complicated, all you need to keep the beaches nice is three rules:

1) No animals.
But, but, but....

"The dog ban is not in effect between May 15 and September 15 north (right) of the Molenslag in Monster, and on the beach between the Strandweg in Ter Heijde and Beukel in 's-Gravenzande.
Dogs are allowed between 7 p.m. and 10 a.m. and between September 16 and May 14 all day on other beach areas."

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At least that rule is nice and clear

BTW, who would ride a horse to the beach?
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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #7919
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What does the 6th sign (from left to right) means?
And why the hell rubber mattresses and rings are forbidden on the beach?
It's a swimming area, so you can't go through there with a motorized boat that has a propeller cause you might cut limbs off swimmers.

Rubber mattresses and other floating devices are forbidden on certain beaches because prevailing currents and winds tend to blow things out into the North sea. Frankly I think the sign is a bit panicky and nanny state like, but the reason behind it is valid at least.

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But, but, but....

"The dog ban is not in effect between May 15 and September 15 north (right) of the Molenslag in Monster, and on the beach between the Strandweg in Ter Heijde and Beukel in 's-Gravenzande.
Dogs are allowed between 7 p.m. and 10 a.m. and between September 16 and May 14 all day on other beach areas."

If I were in charge, I'd be like: "What part of NO ANIMALS don't you understand?"

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At least that rule is nice and clear

BTW, who would ride a horse to the beach?
It's a popular past time here. Horses also usually love running through breakers.
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Old August 17th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #7920
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The animals wouldn't be a problem if the owners were able to collect their shit. Besides the dogs should wear some muzzles or be on the leech, at least when the concentration of small kids is very high. But on the other side, Dutch dogs are most of the time just lap dogs and there is not much of them. The horses are quite a problem though. I wouldn’t like to have them on a beach.

BTW Dutch are freaking this weekend because temperature should rise above 30 degrees C.

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