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Old August 21st, 2012, 09:12 PM   #7961
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The soil is not really cooperative in this area. I suspect this tunnel will be substantially harder to construct than the Hubertus Tunnel which is bored in sandy soils. The € 565 million price tag also includes the upgrade of several other connecting streets in the area (not on the map). It will be a twin-tube bored tunnel.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 10:01 PM   #7962
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Wouldnt be then better variant (cheaper?) cut and cover on the Haagweg? Nah, as I look at the map, it wouldnt be that simple there...
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Old August 21st, 2012, 10:13 PM   #7963
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The last time the The Hague build a tunnel it took them years to complete (the one downtown) I hope this one won't take as long. ;P
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Old August 21st, 2012, 10:25 PM   #7964
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2014 - 2019 is given as the construction period. Which is fairly long by Dutch standards, similar to the new A2-tunnel in Maastricht.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:48 PM   #7965
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Detailed plan of the Rotterdamsebaan.

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The connection to the A13 looks to be an intersection, maybe with traffic lights? That does not look like the most efficient way to handle the traffic. Maybe a special lane to turn right coming from Rotterdam would be a wise solution.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:49 PM   #7966
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They don't want that. It would generate too much traffic on the newly built route. The traffic lights will stay the way they are.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:55 PM   #7967
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There are also plans to grade-separate several other routes into the urban area.

Around 2020, there will be 5 grade-separated routes into Den Haag;

* N211: 2x3
* Prinses Beatrixlaan: 2x2
* Rotterdamsebaan: 2x2
* Utrechtsebaan (A12): 2x3/2x2
* N14: 2x2

This will substantially improve access to and from Den Haag, which is by far the most underserved large city of the Netherlands today. The burden on the Utrechtsebaan (A12) is too heavy.

They also explored the option of a toll tunnel along the coast to connect N211 with N14, but it was found unfeasible.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:55 PM   #7968
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A2 Maastricht double-deck tunnel

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Old August 23rd, 2012, 02:28 PM   #7969
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They don't want that. It would generate too much traffic on the newly built route. The traffic lights will stay the way they are.
How can an improvement generate more traffic? I have never understood that logic. If people want to travel from A to B they will at all costs...
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 02:39 PM   #7970
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It's a problem of choices:
- there may be people who already travel from A to B using others routes or vehicles, and who may prefer the new improved link;
- there may be other people who today avoid travelling from A to B because they don't find it convenient, but might begin doing it if the new link satisfies them.

These are the two major market shares you may get when improving the offer of something.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 02:56 PM   #7971
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There are also plans to grade-separate several other routes into the urban area.

Around 2020, there will be 5 grade-separated routes into Den Haag;

* N211: 2x3
* Prinses Beatrixlaan: 2x2
* Rotterdamsebaan: 2x2
* Utrechtsebaan (A12): 2x3/2x2
* N14: 2x2
It's shocking to see that half of these routes are fairly recent: N211 and N14, so before that The Hague only had two major access points.
Still I'm curious to know how they're planning to grade separate Prinses Beatrixlaan it goes right through a commercial area.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 06:34 PM   #7972
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How can an improvement generate more traffic? I have never understood that logic. If people want to travel from A to B they will at all costs...
It will create a shift from other streets and not in the least from A12 Utrechtsebaan. The new extension cannot handle all that traffic, especially the intersection where it will end. Distribution instead of concentration of traffic is the key here.
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Old August 24th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #7973
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A2, A12, A27 & A28: Utrecht metro area

I made a photo tour of several motorways in the Utrecht metropolitan area yesterday.

Here's an excerpt;

1. A12 at Harmelen.
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A12 Harmelen-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

2. Harmelen
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3. Utrecht in the distance.
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A12 Harmelen-9 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

4. Pretty heavy traffic for 12:30 hrs.
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A12 Harmelen-12 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

5. A12 at Woerden.
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A12 Woerden-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

6. Trucking two lanes wide.
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A12 Woerden-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

7. A27 at Nieuwegein.
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A27 Nieuwegein-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

8. Shoulder running.
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A27 Nieuwegein-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

9. A2 at the Everdingen motorway interchange.
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A2 Autenasekade-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

10. Tapering traffic.
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A2 Autenasekade-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

11. 130 km/h
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A2 Autenasekade-5 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

12. A27 at the Everdingen motorway interchange.
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A27 Bolgerijsekade-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A27 Achterkade-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

14. A28 just east of Utrecht.
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A28 De Uithof-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

15. Utrecht skyline.
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A28 De Uithof-6 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

16. Free flow around Utrecht.
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A28 De Uithof-8 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old August 24th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #7974
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Ok, that's why I can see a lots of new (still covered by foil) sign along A67 in between Belgium border and Eindhoven. I thought they want increase speed limit, but I guess from 1st of Sept will go way around.
Will be 120 km/h limit still in power on A67 on this mentioned part?
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Thanks, great info
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Old August 24th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #7977
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N261 Waalwijk - Tilburg

The official start of the N261 Waalwijk - Tilburg project was yesterday. Actual construction will begin mid-2013, it will now enter the design and prepatory phase.

The N261 is currently a 4-lane divided highway with several traffic signals, and a small part has motorway status and is numbered A261. All intersections will be replaced by grade-separated junctions, including an interchange with the A59 motorway.

The speed limit on the entire route will be 100 km/h, which means a small portion of A261 will be downgraded. It is likely that the A261 will lose motorway status. It is still one of the best provincial highway projects currently going on.

The new N261 will be completed in 2015. It serves the Efteling amusement park, which is the second largest/busiest theme park in western Europe after Disneyland Paris, according to the owner.

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Old August 24th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #7978
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The N261 is currently a 4-lane divided highway with several traffic signals, and a small part has motorway status and is numbered A261. All intersections will be replaced by grade-separated junctions, including an interchange with the A59 motorway.
What is the idea of the A59/N261 junction to not have direct N-S and S-N connections but through roundabouts and loop ramps? Or did I misunderstand something?
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Old August 24th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #7979
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You understood it correctly. There is only an industrial area north of this interchange, after that you hit the Maas River (Meuse), so there is no through traffic to the north. A cloverleaf doesn't fit there, because they need parallel (frontage) roads to serve the city of Waalwijk.

A59 is a bit weird. It was originally constructed as a two-lane expressway, which was later doubled to a motorway. Which is also why A59 has so many exits compared to other motorways.
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Old August 24th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #7980
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12. A27 at the Everdingen motorway interchange.
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What's the "4" in a box?

The radio frequencies are a nice touch: but is that general information on the frequencies in that area for major national channels, or where to tune in that area for traffic?
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