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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #8081
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- they should be placed on the right side barrier... if you're stopped in the emergency lane, reading small signs on the median can be hard;
- the format is not 14,7 but 14 - VII. Who the hell uses roman numbers today?
You need a really wide road or poor eyes if you cannot read an Italian marker in the median when standing still on the shoulder. Mind you, I can read them when passing at speed. But the point is fair that one marker in the median appears to save material, yet does not necessarily in the sense that you can only go so far in downscaling the markers.

As to the Italian numbering format, I can only guess. Possibly related to the way Roman numerals are sometimes used in dates too (15 IV rather than 15.04 for 15 April): it is then believed that two numbering formats make easier reading. In the two-line format employed on the Italian markers, it might indeed be argued that Arab and Roman numerals below one another improve the legibility of both. But the difference is small at best, plus you wonder why they did not pick a one-line format in the first place.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:28 AM   #8082
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I read in a blog (whose author blocked commenting me) a long misinformed post about Netherlands transportation.

They used some other picture of A2 removal to say how the great city of Utrecht, having adopted traffic calming and narrowed many roads downtown in the late 1970s and 1980s, is now even removing an entire freeway altogether to expand some sustainable neighborhood.

Little did the American fanboi knew about how much roadwork has been going on around UTrecht :p
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:29 AM   #8083
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Old September 9th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #8084
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Yes, I also would like to see for myself what kind of fool would write utterly nonsense like that...
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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:57 PM   #8085
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Transportation minister Schultz officially inaugurated the A12 Utrecht - Veenendaal widneing today.

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Old September 10th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #8086
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I read in a blog (whose author blocked commenting me) a long misinformed post about Netherlands transportation.

They used some other picture of A2 removal to say how the great city of Utrecht, having adopted traffic calming and narrowed many roads downtown in the late 1970s and 1980s, is now even removing an entire freeway altogether to expand some sustainable neighborhood.

Little did the American fanboi knew about how much roadwork has been going on around UTrecht :p
Don't you think he might have been talking about the removal of the "Catharijnesingel-freeway" in the center of Utrecht? This 1km stretch of freeway is being removed, and restored as a canal. It will indeed make a part of Utrecht's center more attractive.

That's this part (photo), which is here (map):
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Old September 10th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #8087
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Old September 10th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #8088
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Developments like that only encourage more dispersion.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 02:05 AM   #8089
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More attractive to have some stinky water ? Okay, if you say so...

In my opinion Cockoo, but ah well, I don't live in Utrecht luckily anyhow, nor do I have any reason to go there.

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Old September 11th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #8090
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Old September 11th, 2012, 02:25 AM   #8091
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Netherlands has so many canals, and so does Utrecht, I actually favor burying some canals to make room for extra urban avenues (depressed/entrenched), and turning the upper areas in pedestrian-only plazas (so you get a 2-level street of sorts).
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Can anyone identify the 2 film shooting locations on the movie below

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Old September 11th, 2012, 03:41 AM   #8093
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Short film about VMS deployment in 1982

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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:13 AM   #8094
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Netherlands has so many canals, and so does Utrecht, I actually favor burying some canals to make room for extra urban avenues (depressed/entrenched), and turning the upper areas in pedestrian-only plazas (so you get a 2-level street of sorts).
Not every canal is the same. You've got the type of picture-perfect canal that tourists come over for (e.g. Herengracht, Keizersgracht, Prinsengracht in Amsterdam; Oude Gracht in Utrecht; Oude Delft in Delft) and you've got the canals that have nothing to do with that classical picture. If you look at redevelopment, you need to distinguish accordingly. I do not think that it is realistic to pursue the conversion of some 19th century "singel" at the fringe of the city centre (e.g. Nieuwe Herengracht in Amsterdam) into an area that could ever be attractive for pedestrians. On the other hand, I do not think that many classical canals could ever be turned into something attractive for motorists; too narrow. In both cases, of course, you'll end up with the usual discussions on loss of character, pollution issues for the neighbourhood etc.

I don't think that any project should be excluded upfront. After all, how many urban roads used to be a "singel" and where would Amsterdam be without the
Vijzelgracht being buried? So any specific project would need to be considered at its merits. In Amsterdam, large parts of the s100 are running parallel to canals; the non-pittoresque type of canal. Burying part of those canals would permit a much better access to the city centre, and I doubt whether it would really adversely affect the local environment if they turned the s100 into an entrnched urban boulevard with a street level low on traffic. But this is Amsterdam, such a project won't fly until pigs can do so.
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Netherlands has so many canals, and so does Utrecht, I actually favor burying some canals to make room for extra urban avenues (depressed/entrenched), and turning the upper areas in pedestrian-only plazas (so you get a 2-level street of sorts).
What about the canals in central Amsterdam?
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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:14 AM   #8096
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Can anyone identify the 2 film shooting locations on the movie below

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N344 near Apeldoorn

More old videos of Dutch roads can be found here
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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #8097
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@suburbanist: I was not asking about your opinion about such projects (I really didn't have to ask ), but whether or not this "American fanboi" might have been talking about a different project, thus being less misinformed.

I will bite and respond though: you can argue whether it is a good investment to remove roadspace in favor of a canal, but this piece of road was part of a 1958 plan for the city of Utrecht to fill in the entire canal ring/moat to make space for traffic, combined with considerable demolition in the medieval city center to make space for new roads. This 1km stretch was the only part of that plan that got built, going from a regular city street to another regular city street. It didn't serve a big traffic purpose.

I am not against cars, and think it's good that Utrecht is getting a lot more road capacity on its freeways, and some of the roads into the city, but I can't blame the people of Utrecht for preferring their very beautiful innercity to be like this (Catharijnesingel at the southern end of the 'freeway' stretch):


Rather than this (the part that is being demolished):
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Transportation minister Schultz officially inaugurated the A12 Utrecht - Veenendaal widneing today.

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I am not against cars, and think it's good that Utrecht is getting a lot more road capacity on its freeways, and some of the roads into the city, but I can't blame the people of Utrecht for preferring their very beautiful innercity to be like this (Catharijnesingel at the southern end of the 'freeway' stretch):


Rather than this (the part that is being demolished):
They should have demolished those buildings near the canal and built higher modern towers (more or less like they did in Eindhoven in a smaller scale or in Rotterdam in a much larger and awesome scale).
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I read in a blog (whose author blocked commenting me) a long misinformed post about Netherlands transportation.

They used some other picture of A2 removal to say how the great city of Utrecht, having adopted traffic calming and narrowed many roads downtown in the late 1970s and 1980s, is now even removing an entire freeway altogether to expand some sustainable neighborhood.

Little did the American fanboi knew about how much roadwork has been going on around UTrecht :p
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