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Old September 16th, 2012, 06:21 AM   #8141
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Old September 16th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #8142
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Old September 16th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #8143
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Fantastic view. Is it the same place (2:51) in my video?

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Old September 16th, 2012, 10:39 PM   #8144
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Not far from the point where I first set foot on Dutch paving way back in August 2004.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #8145
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Large alcohol enforcement control on A20 last night.

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Old September 17th, 2012, 07:03 PM   #8146
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The most drunk of people could probably manage that kind of driving.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #8147
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I think every driver will have to use the breathalyzer
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Old September 17th, 2012, 07:48 PM   #8148
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Ridiculous to create this kind of congestion.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #8149
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That area can also use some new signs.


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Old September 17th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #8150
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A20 Gouda - Rotterdam - Westerlee

Driving the entire A20 westbound through the Rotterdam metro area.

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Old September 18th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #8151
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From 1.35 all the bumps in the road, at 1.45 I broke my oil sump about 2 years ago going a bit too fast . I wish they'd fix that, such large ''bumps'' are more of a killer than ordinary potholes, especially for lowered cars at high speed. On cars with original suspension they can easily send you flying as well ( or well, I managed to send a mates golf 4 airborne there ).

1.35-1.52 is terrible, the road surface itself is fine, but the ground under tha asphalt has dropped in many places causing un-even bumpy surface.

And overall, the whole Gouda>Vlaardingen bit is WAY undercapacity.

Daily holdups going west:
From Alexander ( Weaving manoeuvres due to heavy joining traffic)
From Terbregge (joining traffic from the A16 + 5 lanes merging into 3)
From Crooswijk/noord ( (not much) joining traffic)

Daily holdups going east:
From Kleinpolderplein ( too much joining traffic from the A13)
From Centrum ( too much joining traffic)
Just before Nieuwekerk ( exit can't handle the traffic since Nesselande was built+ going from 3 into 2 lanes)
Just before Moordrecht ( exit can't handle the traffic)

Sometimes these jams go so bad you have a traffic jam all the way from Kleinpolderplein up to Moordrecht going east... Sometimes you luckily only get slow traffic and a minute or 2 loss, but it's not odd to average 60 km/h on that stretch.

A20 is a motorway I use on a daily basis, sometimes as much as up to 10x per day... The Shell and BP at 2.00 are also favourite spots for highway robbers to hide a radar & camera.
Terbregge going west just before the A16 joins in is also a fav spot for bike coppers with laser guns.
They have also hidden it behind the viaducts at Capelle or near Nieuwerkerk in the past.

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Old September 18th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #8152
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Cool viaduct at the Shell Pernis refinery.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 01:07 PM   #8153
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Do I see a hard shoulder for bicycles? And why such massive guardrail for them?
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Old September 18th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #8154
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You're taking me on an extended trip down 'Memory Lane' at the moment Chris. Did a 130km bike ride on 21st June 2010 with my mate, around bits of Rotterdam then up through Maassluis to Hoek van Holland and back down the port. Fatigue was really starting to set in as we got to this viaduct, not helped by the fact we were on extremely heavy, single speed, rented Batavus Railstars. Not the best bikes for long trips.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 05:16 PM   #8155
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2013 budget

The 2013 budget was unveiled today. Most of it was already known, because the government collapsed earlier in 2012 and a new budget had to be designed with other parties. This is a highly unpopular budget, so it remains to be seen how this will turn out in practice with a new government.

The infrastructure fund will be lowered with € 200 million per year structurally. All € 200 million will be cut on road and water projects in 2013, and then proportionally after 2013 on all modalities. The total budget cut for road projects from 2013 to 2023 is € 1.67 billion.

Most budget cuts are not really cuts, but more the postponing of projects.

Three projects are affected in 2013:

* A1/A27: Utrecht - Eemnes - Bunschoten. Construction will begin 1 year later.
* A1 Apeldoorn - Beekbergen. Construction will begin 1 year later.
* A12: Ede - Grijsoord. Construction will begin later (probably also 1 year).

No projects are scrapped altogether in the coming decade, but it is unlikely that new projects will become a priority prior to 2020.

Note that these budget cuts after 2013 are just a proposal and can be changed by the future government(s).
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Old September 18th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #8156
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Exactly what the construction business need in the Netherlands. How many jobs must lost ...
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Old September 18th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #8157
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Do I see a hard shoulder for bicycles? And why such massive guardrail for them?
On the left is a dedicated cycle path for cyclists, on the road cyclists are not allowed. I guess you got confused because of the Sustainable Safety road markings. They're only meant to make the road look narrower.

The guardrail? well, on one side if a pretty big drop and on the other side there are loads of trucks. I'd like to be protected from those trucks if I were riding there on my bike...

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Ridiculous to create this kind of congestion.
I don't think this is bad at all. At moments traffic would just be allowed to pass when things got too congested. I guess this pic was taken just before one of those moments. Anyhow, it's better to have this kind of a traffic jam than a traffic jam caused by a cop in the bushes and a lasergun (yes, sadly we have those...). These kind of checks by the police have far more use.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 06:59 PM   #8158
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Rijkswaterstaat operational budget cuts

Rijkswaterstaat, the Dutch water and road transport agency, will also have to make sacrifices. This means cutbacks on the operational budget.

By far the most drastic measure is to shut down or not replace some portions of the motorway traffic management networks (MTM). This mean matrix signs will be shut down permanently. I must add some matrix signs are almost never operational, such as A28 Zwolle - Meppel.

Another cutback that will affect traffic flow is to allow more roadworks to be executed during the day. Specifically short-term roadworks that require lane closures.

Rijkswaterstaat will also turn off the road lights at times. This won't have a huge impact on traffic, but will also not really do all that much to save millions. Lights will be turned off at 9 pm, on busy motorways at 11 pm. Only interchanges, tunnels and other difficult situations will remain lit throughout the night.

They also cut down on advertising about road works, only road works with severe impact will still be advertised in the traditional media. A move will be made to digital and social media. They will also cut back on stuff like free train tickets and extra buses during roadworks. This will not have a major impact because it already was a niche market that should've been gone a long time ago.

They will also cut back on maintenance of greenery along motorways. Mowing the roadsides will be done once instead of twice a year, except on locations where more maintenance is necessary to maintain traffic safety. Roadside ditches will be mowed once per two years instead of annually. This means the roadsides will become somewhat more neglected, but Belgian style neglect is not likely.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 02:01 AM   #8159
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Pity, in my opinion Rijkswaterstaat is a very good functioning government agency who really deliver in terms of quality, quantity and timely delivery. Well, those cuts shouldn't have a very big impact on the roads, except maybe for the daytime work.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:49 AM   #8160
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I had no idea that these matrix signs costs so much to operate. Highways Agency in the UK must be spending a fortune on them, with on busy motorways, one placed on every single gantry, average every 500 metres I'd say. And they are all on. When there is no traffic information to give, they will tell you travel time between junctions, or tell people not to drink and drive, hog the middle lane or take drugs.
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