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Old October 1st, 2012, 09:38 PM   #8241
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Excessive Health and Safety stuff should remain on the English side of the channel, not on the continent.
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Old October 1st, 2012, 11:08 PM   #8242
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The lack of safety fences on the central reservation as well in front of the trees and lampposts seems rather strange. I wouldn't expect such a deficient road design in a highly developed country.
You should do a google images search for the words: N65 ongeluk. Ongeluk means accident in dutch.

The N65 is a very dangerous road, every few months you see a article in the local newspaper about a major accident on that road.

There are a lot of speed camera's, some of them placed behind trees. People who aren't familiar with that road suddenly push their brakes because they see a speed camera pop up behind a tree.

The best solution for this road is to develop it to a motorway, but there are a lot of people living in the area of the N65 who would most definitely do everything to prevent the N65 from becoming a motorway. I'm afraid a lot more lives will be lost on that road before it will finally become a motorway.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 02:51 AM   #8243
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In that case every 80+ km/h roads should have fences if there is only a slight risk of a collision? Are you aware that almost every road outside urban area would be fenced?
I know what you mean. There is, however, a difference. On dualled roads head-on collision can be prevented by safety fences on the central reservations while this is impossible on single carriageway roads.

Neither are safety fences along S2 roads completely unknown. Certain sections such as embankments are fenced for instance.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 10:57 AM   #8244
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If they say "no" to motorway, make it a 2x2 expressway maintaining the existing speed limit by converting all the junctions into grade-separated ones.

I know, residents for a strange reason insist on maintaining the at-grade junctions, despite the fact that they decrease the safety, speed and increase the pollution (stop'n'go)...
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 11:14 AM   #8245
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There are currently no plans for a conversion into an expressway or motorway. Considering the function and location in the network, I think a full motorway is the only sensible solution. You don't want an expressway that will soon carry 80.000 vehicles per day, just like happened to A2 and A59 after they were built. Traffic growth is quite significant in this region. For instance the A50 Oss - Eindhoven opened in 2006 and already carries 50.000 - 65.000 vehicles per day while alternate routes did not see a similar traffic decline. The A30 near Ede also quickly carried 50.000 vehicles per day within a few years of opening.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 06:16 PM   #8246
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traffic congestion down 40%

Traffic congestion in the third quarter of 2012 was down by 40%, compared to the six-year average. Both the summer months as the commuting month of September recorded substantially less traffic congestion, the Dutch motorist association ANWB reports.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #8247
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From the Italian thread:

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Isn't it "state road"?
There is no real direct translation, but "national road" is the best. State route may imply it's a road of a state (of a country).

A "rijksweg" is often a motorway, but sometimes an N-road. The term "rijksweg" precedes the construction of motorways and by far precedes the provincial roads (which were created in 1993). In daily usage, the "N-road" usually refers to a provincial road, but some N-roads are also operated by municipalities and the national government.

The "rijkswegen" used to be the counterpart of the Bundesstraße or Route Nationale, but most non-motorways have been transferred to lower governments, so most of the "rijkswegen" are motorways nowadays.

Although from a user point of view, it shouldn't matter who operates a road. A road must be in good condition and adequately be able to handle the traffic load, regardless of who owns it.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #8248
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Yes, something like that. Probably another name that has survived from our great grandfather's days.
Also imported from Italy.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #8249
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The bureau for waterstaat (water works) was already created in 1798, which later became Rijkswaterstaat.

The first road administration was during Napoleon in 1811, the national government operated the roads of the first and second class.

The first paved roads were created before 1795 and would later become a part of the "rijkswegen":

* Utrecht - De Bilt
* Haarlem - Amsterdam
* Den Haag - Delft
* Vlissingen - Middelburg
* Arnhem - Nijmegen
* 's Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven

The following roads were paved during Napoleons reign:

* Amsterdam - Utrecht - Breda - Zundert
* De Bilt - Amersfoort - Deventer
* Haarlem - Den Haag
* Delft - Rotterdam

The Netherlands became independent in 1813-1815 and the Rijkswaterstaat was created. The 19th century road network was created in 1821, with the national government ("rijk") operating the first class roads and the provinces the second class roads. Another 500 kilometers of road was paved (with bricks) between 1825 and 1850.

For instance, Rijksweg 1 was already created in 1813 and ran from Amsterdam via Amersfoort, Apeldoorn, Deventer and Oldenzaal to the German border. The modern A1 follows this route closely.

Other routes had different numbers than their later rijksweg-numbers though, even though the 1813 rijksweg 4 ran from Amsterdam to Haarlem to Den Haag to Delft to Hellevoetsluis, the A4 runs in this general area.

See also geschiedenis (In Dutch)
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Old October 4th, 2012, 03:09 PM   #8250
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I'll have to reread that once the caffeine's kicked in, but the "staat" in Rijkswaterstaat has nothing to with the state (government)? (Which, incidentally, is tricky in English anyway, particularly in countries that are subdivided into, well, states. I often end up translating "état" in French as "government" in English.)
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Old October 4th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #8251
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To be honest I don't know whether the "staat" in Rijkswaterstaat means state/country or condition. If it is the first, it would be redundant, considering the "rijks" part already means "of the national government".
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Old October 4th, 2012, 03:56 PM   #8252
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I'll have to reread that once the caffeine's kicked in, but the "staat" in Rijkswaterstaat has nothing to with the state (government)? (Which, incidentally, is tricky in English anyway, particularly in countries that are subdivided into, well, states. I often end up translating "état" in French as "government" in English.)
"Staat" in "Rijkswaterstaat" means "state" as in "condition".

So waterstaat = condition of the water.

Waterstaat is an old term that goes back several centuries but the meaning of "staat" in that context is not that of a geographical entity (state or nation). It surfaces throughout the centuries in words and institutions such as Provinciale Waterstaat, Rijkswaterstaat, Waterstaatskerk and Ministerie van Waterstaat, Handel en Nijverheid.

Waterstaat is an all-encompassing term, to which waterbeheer (the defense of the land against the water) and waterhuishouding (the water supply) are subject.

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Old October 4th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #8253
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N61 Hoek - Schoondijke

Since the upgrade of the N61 in southwestern Netherlands has cleared all procedural hurdles, construction can begin.

1. future N61 west of IJzendijke.


2. Biervliet roundabout.


3. Braakman bridge. The only section of the eastern half that will not be widened to 2x2 lanes.


4. layout
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Old October 5th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #8254
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Passenger kilometers in the Netherlands

The development of the passenger kilometers in the Netherlands between 1994 and 2007. Strangely, the CBS (Central Bureau of Statistics) does not have any data beyond 2007.



Notable is the significant loss of ridership in urban public transport. It lost over 25% of its kilometrage during this timespan, from 8.4 to 6.0 billion passenger kilometers.

Car usage increased substantially during the 1990s, but leveled off after 2000. Interestingly, the Dutch travel just as much by train as by bicycle, even though these modalities are not competitors at all. Train usage increased in the mid-1990s, chiefly because students got their free travel card in 1991. Train usage growth also leveled off after 2000 and fluctuated like car usage.
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Old October 7th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #8255
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Some pictures of the A15 near Barendrecht and Vaanplein interchange.



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Old October 8th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #8256
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Traffic congestion down

Overall traffic congestion dropped again, while traffic increased.

Here's two graphs

vehicle kilometers 2000 - 2012


congestion* 2000 - 2012


* measured as number of congestion kms * number of minutes
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Bicycle motorways? Got 'em!













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Old October 8th, 2012, 03:45 PM   #8258
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That's not a design I've encountered before, either in terms of the width or the kerb separation in the middle. How is it to ride on? It's difficult to tell what the joints between the concrete slabs would be like from the photo. And could you link to the location? Cheers!
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Old October 8th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #8259
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It's quite smooth, you don't really feel the joints. The raised median however, is an unnecessary gimmick to make it look more like a freeway (the layout is more prestige than necessity). It's quite annoying to cycle across that median.

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Old October 8th, 2012, 10:26 PM   #8260
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Will they add shoulder running when capacity turns out to be insufficient?

Looks quite nice though. I think they added the median to discourage swerving by fast moving bikes.

It will be interesting to see if this works out though, average bike trip length is quite short. In my opinion, it is a better idea to spend money on grade separation in key inner-city locations.
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