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Old January 6th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #8801
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I have one question, what means those numbers in information board (ex: Havens 200-9900)?
Large industrial areas are cut up in sections which are numbered to ease navigation. The A15 motorway has a large number of exits that only serve industrial areas, so you cannot name them after towns or neighborhoods. In this case, Havens 200 - 9900 directs to nearly the entire Port of Rotterdam. When you follow that sign, you will notice different numbers are displayed for each exit.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #8802
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Old January 6th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #8803
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A man is carried by a woman?! I want a Dutch girl!
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Not abnormal at all. Whoever has a bike stays on that bike, who doesn't have one goes on the back. It doesn't matter if the person with the bike is a woman.

In the 5 years I've had my bike, I think there have been about 5 different people on the back of my bike. From my 8yo neighbour to classmates coming from PE class. (which is sometimes not at the school itself due to a shortage of gyms...)
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Old January 6th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #8804
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Carrying additional passengers, let alone toddlers/babies, on bicycles is outright dangerous and should be outlawed.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #8805
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A playing ground is more dangerous for children.
Carrying additional passengers is not dangerous at all.

Biggest problem about bikers is that they lack all the traffic rules. Driving through red lights, at the wrong side of the road, taking a roundabout in the opposite direction, driving without proper lights when it's dark, etcetera. Those actions are far more contributing to traffic unsafety than carrying additional passengers. There is no reason whatsoever to outlaw it.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 05:13 PM   #8806
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Carrying additional passengers, let alone toddlers/babies, on bicycles is outright dangerous and should be outlawed.
Good luck inforcing that rule on the Dutch!
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Old January 6th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #8807
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Carrying additional passengers, let alone toddlers/babies, on bicycles is outright dangerous and should be outlawed.
Bullshit. As long as you hold on properly there's nothing wrong.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #8808
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Can we please not indulge Suburbanist on the subject of bicycle safety again? We've been here, the consensus is that everyone disagrees with him. Let's just move on.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #8809
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I partly agree with suburbanist. Carrying other people is ok, but I would never ever carry my child on a bike.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #8810
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There are special child safety seats for bicycles.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:42 PM   #8811
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Can we please not indulge Suburbanist on the subject of bicycle safety again? We've been here, the consensus is that everyone disagrees with him. Let's just move on.
correction: Everyone Dutch disagrees with him on the bikes matters.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #8812
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There are special child safety seats for bicycles.
This doesn't change my opinion. I am not saying it should be forbidden. I only said I would never do it. You can do as you please.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:56 PM   #8813
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I think it's just perception. Numbers show very few people under the age of 4 die on the Dutch roads, generally between 2 and 5 per year (0.3 - 0.8%), and that is the overall number, which may not even be children on a bicycle.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #8814
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I think it's just perception.
Possibly. This doesn't help me getting on a plane, even though it's the safest means of transportation...
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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #8815
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I partly agree with suburbanist. Carrying other people is ok, but I would never ever carry my child on a bike.
Driving in Italy is far more dangerous then having children in separate seats on bicycles on a cycle network not known anywhere else. Also, cyclists interests are registered in the Dutch highway code and as casualties are to a bare minimum, I don't think that anyone can enforce safety regulations on an old Dutch tradition which is already very safe.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #8816
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Driving in Italy is far more dangerous then having children in separate seats on bicycles on a cycle network not known anywhere else. Also, cyclists interests are registered in the Dutch highway code and as casualties are to a bare minimum, I don't think that anyone can enforce safety regulations on an old Dutch tradition which is already very safe.
In Italy carrying a child in an apposite bycicle seat is legal, carrying another adult passenger isn't. Having an adult passenger (50 or more extra kg) in your bike is dangerous if you have to stop suddenly or in tight curves, ascends or descends.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #8817
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In Italy carrying a child in an apposite bycicle seat is legal, carrying another adult passenger isn't. Having an adult passenger (50 or more extra kg) in your bike is dangerous if you have to stop suddenly or in tight curves, ascends or descends.
Well, I can imagine that riding a bike in any Italian city is a suicide mission.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:49 PM   #8818
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Not "any" but you'd better be very careful in most of them.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #8819
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Carrying additional passengers, let alone toddlers/babies, on bicycles is outright dangerous and should be outlawed.
No, nanny state should be outlawed... It's none of your, or the governments business to meddle with what is safe or not for adults, even if it was highly unsafe, then it's their own risk.

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I partly agree with suburbanist. Carrying other people is ok, but I would never ever carry my child on a bike.
That I agree with though. I'd never carry my kid on a bike until he/she learns to cycle... Let alone a bike trailer for my baby , dangerous as hell. imo. I'll just walk the kid to school...
But if others want to do it, then let them.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #8820
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Driving in Italy is far more dangerous then having children in separate seats on bicycles on a cycle network not known anywhere else.
Well, this applies to every country. The problem with Italy is there are virtually no cycle routes.
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