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Old January 20th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #8901
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We have lots and lots and lots of snow here and...

- they keep the roads clear
- trains run on time
- kids go to school
- everyone is having a great time
Until it starts to melt and half of England will, once again, have to share their living rooms with a river.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #8902
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I thought he was talking about Mayrhofen (Austria)?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #8903
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I thought he was talking about Mayrhofen (Austria)?
Yes I am. Never mind England, they panic even more than the Dutch do.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #8904
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I'm surprised winter tires are not used around there. Apart from snow days, what's the average temperature in Dutch winters?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #8905
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Yes I am. Never mind England, they panic even more than the Dutch do.
They do? That's disappointing.

I guess the roughly equal population density could be a root cause.

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I'm surprised winter tires are not used around there. Apart from snow days, what's the average temperature in Dutch winters?
It tends to hover around +5 degrees with considerable rainfall. Actual snow and freezing temperatures never extend much longer than 2 weeks in January/February.

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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #8906
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I'm surprised winter tires are not used around there. Apart from snow days, what's the average temperature in Dutch winters?
It's encouraged, and more and more people in the Netherlands do fit them on. In the UK it's practically unheard of.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #8907
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They do? That's disappointing.

I guess the roughly equal population density could be a root cause.

It tends to hover around +5 degrees with considerable rainfall. Actual snow and freezing temperatures never extend much longer than 2 weeks in January/February.
In England, instead of clearing the roads, they close a lot of them. Trains stop running due to the wrong type of snow (an excuse a high ranking official actually used), schools close, airports close or flights are subjected to long delays or cancellations (as I found out at Innsbruck airport yesterday with all planes originating from the uk), and motorists will eventually abandon their vehicles on the hard shoulder and walk home. And there is me blasting on lane 3 with my winter tyres

Edit: Google wrong type of snow.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #8908
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It's encouraged, and more and more people in the Netherlands do fit them on.
I noticed it too. I was even told on this forum, after asking a question about the reason why, that probably Dutch people, who travel abroad (Alps), use them.

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Plenty of Scots and foreigners, living in the UK, use winter tyres there.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #8909
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Then again, Scots are the most capable people in the UK!
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:01 AM   #8910
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I noticed it too. I was even told on this forum, after asking a question about the reason why, that probably Dutch people, who travel abroad (Alps), use them.
That's absolutely the case.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:06 AM   #8911
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Winter tires are increasingly common. About 31% had them in 2011 and 39% in 2012. Most people who go on ski holidays abroad have winter tires, especially since it's more or less obligatory in Germany.

I do not have winter tires. I don't drive a lot in the winter (I have driven less than 100 km since 1 January) so it's not worth it. I go to work by bicycle and can plan shopping and social visits around the worst winter weather.

Snow chains are prohibited in the Netherlands by the way.

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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:48 PM   #8912
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Snow chains are prohibited in the Netherlands by the way.
Snow chains are useless in the Netherlands because there are no hills and anyway the roads are never covered in 5+ cm of hard snow and ice.

The winter tires on the other side are extremely helpfull in any snow or winter slippery conditions. Furthemore they are also very helpfull in the low temperatures around or under 5 degrees, especially when the road gets wet. The summer tires get already stiff in such temperatures and stop working properly.

But I reckon that mostly only the people that go foreign in the winter have them around here. The all year tire could be an compromise option for the thrifty Dutch.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 06:50 PM   #8913
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Snow chains are prohibited in the Netherlands by the way.
So if you're stuck on the road in the snow there is no legal way to save yourself? Stupid at least.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 07:03 PM   #8914
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Yes I am. Never mind England, they panic even more than the Dutch do.
No shit.. The Tescos over here got raped the same day when the news came out about possible snowfall. Snowshovels, de-icer, everything was sold out haha
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Old January 21st, 2013, 07:13 PM   #8915
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So if you're stuck on the road in the snow there is no legal way to save yourself? Stupid at least.
When you get stuck in snow it is you who've done something basically wrong and look utterly stupid. The legal way to get freed in such a case is to call for a rescue vehicle I suppose. It is certainly no reason to ruin the surface of public roads by mounting snow chains.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 07:42 PM   #8916
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Snow chains are indeed meant for mountain roads not highways. Estonia has plenty of snow every winter yet nobody uses snow chains over here. Winter tyres are compulsory, though.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 07:44 PM   #8917
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When you get stuck in snow it is you who've done something basically wrong and look utterly stupid. The legal way to get freed in such a case is to call for a rescue vehicle I suppose. It is certainly no reason to ruin the surface of public roads by mounting snow chains.
I was going to type something about this too, but it'd just be a copy of this
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:28 PM   #8918
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When you get stuck in snow it is you who've done something basically wrong and look utterly stupid. The legal way to get freed in such a case is to call for a rescue vehicle I suppose. It is certainly no reason to ruin the surface of public roads by mounting snow chains.
When you get stuck in snow in the Netherlands than the road maintenance service did something terribly wrong or you were not driving on a normal road... I can't imagine someone would need snow chains around here even if it fell 50 cm of snow.

btw just experienced major power grid blackout around this place.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 03:55 AM   #8919
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So if you're stuck on the road in the snow there is no legal way to save yourself? Stupid at least.
I don't see how you can get completely stuck in the first place, perhaps on an incline but that's it! You can always just keep your wheel spinning, make the temerature go up, melt the ice/snow beneeth your wheels, and you have grip after a while! Otherwise just swing forward backward forward backward until you get some momentum then just get out...
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 12:35 PM   #8920
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Snow chains are prohibited in the Netherlands by the way.
Only the Police and rescue services are allowed to use them to my knowledge. I have seen snow chains on their vehicles more then once when the road conditions were very icy.
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