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Old January 25th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #8941
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I will move though if I get a nice(r) job offer in pretty much any country than here.
So you're applying to jobs abroad? Whereabouts have you been looking?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #8942
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A16 Ridderkerk

The A16 motorway in (presumably) the early 1950s at Ridderkerk. The road looks drastically different today, with a stack interchange and 18 lanes. The photo was taken from the old Bolnes - Barendrecht road, looking north.


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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #8943
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Bureaucracy is far worse here in Holland though. Want to build a garage on YOUR OWN LAND, you still need a permit and it will often be rejected because ''it doesn't fit in the street''. You need a permit for just about everything... You buy expensive land, then have to hire expensive people to design and build it for you... Abroad, you buy a piece of land, build your own house for about 50k euros in total, no nonsense.
For €50'000 you won't get a house of the quality you are used to. Neither will a country, which allows everyone to build on his land what ever he likes, provide you the necessary infrastructure to support your way of life. Wherever you go you have to sacrifice plenty of amenities just to avoid the stringent planning authority of your current home country. Your wish seems Bonkers to me. But then again is every man the artisan of his own fortune.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:06 PM   #8944
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For €50'000 you won't get a house of the quality you are used to. Neither will a country, which allows everyone to build on his land what ever he likes, provide you the necessary infrastructure to support your way of life. Wherever you go you have to sacrifice plenty of amenities just to avoid the stringent planning authority of your current home country. Your wish seems Bonkers to me. But then again is every man the artisan of his own fortune.
Perhaps, but I hate the type of housing ''eengezinswoning'' ( but not as much as the old mid density housing like found in the big cities, you know the 4 story high apartments) they usually build in NL, I much prefer standalone houses + a bit of land, even if they are smaller inside.


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http://dom.gratka.pl/tresc/402-86156...56dbe70516a7,1
Is someting I'd love to have, for 60k euro's I won't even get a house here, I can buy a small lot of land for that money in Holland.
Add couple of thousand to build a small concrete road to the garage, some fences, a bit of gardening, and done...

Infrastructure like city heating ( or gas mains) , water, etc... I prefer to be cheaper out and just have my own well, buy gas bottles every so often for cooking, coal or wood for the winter, small electric water heater for taking a shower, etc...

Electricity and broadband is a different matter, they are indeed necessary...

Road infrastructure, yeah, I see your point, but it's far from ideal in NL, countries like Poland are definitely catching up... In PL you have potholes and rut, in NL you have speedbumps, bollards and chicanes, both equally bad for the motorist...

The strict planning authority here creates terrible same looking neighbourhoods, soms like it, some don't, I prefer variation, lots of different standalone houses...

For me to buy a house I'd like in in Holland, I'd need around 200.000 euros at least. I don't particularly need a large house, I just want a standalone house, with a bit of land, a couple of sheds for my junk, a garage for my car, etc...

I am biased though, pretty much my whole family on my mothers side, have all built their own homes to their liking...

I am going a bit offtopic though, perhaps I'll make a thread somewhere else, but the main problem in Holland are the rules and regulations to even the smallest things, how you need a permit to build a small roof for your car or so in your own garden on your own land is taking it too far, or how the municipality can decide whether its ok or not to park your car in your garden ( some neighbourhoods it's not allowed to use your own bloody garden as a driveway, wtf...). I don't see the same kind of nonsense even in the UK ?

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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:06 PM   #8945
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A7 Afsluitdijk

The Afsluitdijk (enclosure dam). Date unknown, possibly 1950s.

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Old January 25th, 2013, 08:09 PM   #8946
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In Holland are the best motorways from Europe!
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Old January 25th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #8947
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Old January 26th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #8948
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A2 Best

An ecoduct across the A2 at Best, just north of Eindhoven. This part of the motorway is currently being widened to 2x3 lanes.

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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #8949
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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #8950
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Old January 26th, 2013, 10:36 PM   #8951
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The A16 motorway in (presumably) the early 1950s at Ridderkerk. The road looks drastically different today, with a stack interchange and 18 lanes. The photo was taken from the old Bolnes - Barendrecht road, looking north.


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Fantastic picture. But seeing the curve in the A16 I would think we are looking in the southern direction. But the shadows tell the story that the direction is good. I have a very hard time finding the exact spot where this picture was taken.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #8952
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Approximately here. This viaduct was at the place where the Ridderkerk-Noord stack currently is. The bridge this pic was taken from, doesn't exist aymore.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #8953
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It was taken from this bridge, A16 curves a bit to the right there. The map is dated 1958. The bridge was likely demolished in the late 1960s when A15 was constructed.

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Old January 27th, 2013, 01:07 PM   #8954
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Jeee, looks a little different now!
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Old January 27th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #8955
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A2/A67 Leenderheide interchange

An aerial photo of the A2/A67 Leenderheide interchange, looking north. This interchange was rebuilt between 2006 and 2010, allowing a free-flow bypass of A2 traffic. Prior to reconstruction, only east-west traffic across A67 was free-flow.


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Old January 27th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #8956
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N62 Sluiskil Tunnel

The boring of the Sluiskil Tunnel near Terneuzen has started today. They assembled the tunnel boring machine in late 2012 and commenced boring today at 3 p.m. It will take approximately 110 days to bore the first (northern) tube, after which the southern tube will be bored after the summer in approximately 95 days. This is only the third bored road tunnel in the Netherlands. It's a relatively short tunnel with a length of 1.3 kilometers.

The tunnel is part of the project to widen all of N62 in Zeeland to a 2x2 expressway.

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Old January 28th, 2013, 12:02 AM   #8957
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Unfortunately with every government measure the future is sacrificed to maintain some short term generosity, instead of realizing and accepting that the past age is gone. There is no population increase anymore, the number of working people as a ratio of old and young people will decrease.
Actually, this is incorrect. The CBS forecasts an population growth of a million the coming twenty years. You are correct about the old and young ratio, though this will reach is peak around 2040 and decrease afterwards.
(http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/DB34C...ngerwerken.pdf)

By the way, The Netherlands is way below the EU average if it comes to ageing.
(http://www.nationaalkompas.nl/bevolk...nternationaal/)

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There's a reason the Netherlands is currently doing very badly in all kind of peer tests. Purchasing Power Parity, consumer confidence, growth prospects and figures, you name it. The only thing in which we are leading is effective tax rate.
Yes, there is indeed a reason: global economic stagnation.

Very badly? Compared to a few years ago: yes. Compared to other European nations: no. The Netherlands still has one of the most healthy economies of Europe. For example, The Netherlands is one of only four AAA rated Euro-nations, has one of the lowest public debts in the EU, a huge trade surplus, one of the lowest unemployment rates, the highest human development index of the EU (third in the world), and so on. The only factor that's a bit lagging behind is the private consumption.

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The government is like a driver trying to maintain a constant speed with a stopped engine. On a downhill slope you can keep it up for a while, sacrificing height, but eventually they will reach rock bottom.
What do you propose? Should the government increase its spendings? Japan tried that during the nineties after their economy was caught in a recession. It didn't work out quite well: the Japanese economy never fully recovered and their public debt to GDP ratio reached 230% (compared to 65% in The Netherlands). I'm not trying to say that the Dutch government is doing the right thing, I'm just trying to state that it this isn't a simple issue. Even among the most respected economists there is a lot of disagreement.

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As a result I shall emigrate as soon as possible.
Your choice. To what nation by the way?

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Yep, highly disappointing and stupid, infra projects are very profitable investments generally ( excluding 2 big rail investments recently haha) !

I'm actually thinking to emigrate for other reasons, too many old people for to few young is the cause, but the reasons that make me want to leave are mainly the rules and regulations that come from that, the time of freedom is long gone... The whole municipal layer of management is unnecessary imo, 75% of the APV in the average municipality can be scrapped imo... Combine that with extremely inflated real estate and land prices...

For the price of a ****hole appartement here, you get a massive villa and piece of land in Spain or Poland...
See my post above, ageing in the Netherlands is way below the EU-average.

By the way, according to the so-called "World Freedom Index 2013" the Netherlands ended second if it comes to freedom. Only New Zealand scored better.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...-the-world.pdf
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For the price of a ****hole appartement here, you get a massive villa and piece of land in Spain or Poland...
Depends. Apartments in Warsaw can be very costly. For example, this 80 square meter apartment costs 440.000 Euros:
http://www.mamdom.com/apartment-fors...scie-30688.htm

On the other hand, this free standing house in The Netherlands costs only 89.000 euros:
http://www.funda.nl/koop/holwerd/hui...rnaarderdyk-1/

Comparing apples to oranges.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 04:53 AM   #8960
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Depends. Apartments in Warsaw can be very costly. For example, this 80 square meter apartment costs 440.000 Euros:
http://www.mamdom.com/apartment-fors...scie-30688.htm

On the other hand, this free standing house in The Netherlands costs only 89.000 euros:
http://www.funda.nl/koop/holwerd/hui...rnaarderdyk-1/

Comparing apples to oranges.
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Still no own land, garage, etc...

I don't like the style either, but that's nitpicking I guess, I just don't like the
NL&UK style brick housing... And it's in Friesland, a bit far from everything.

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See my post above, ageing in the Netherlands is way below the EU-average.

By the way, according to the so-called "World Freedom Index 2013" the Netherlands ended second if it comes to freedom. Only New Zealand scored better.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...-the-world.pdf
It depends on what freedom, yeah you can smoke a joint here, or be gay, or whatever. Those things don't apply to me though, if I start buying up cars ( my hobby) and working on them in my yard, the neighbours or the government would complain, that is not a problem I'd have there, my family all have their own land and can do whatever they like on it, nobody would care, here we have a big front yard I'd love to use as a driveway, but the Gemeente Capelle ad IJssel, won't give us the rights to do that , nor would most of the people here like it, it's a different culture, people here like to complain about everything... NIMBY is far worse here, and the municipality has too many rules for just about everything, because of some problems from a minority you aren't even allowed to drink a beer in many streets around here!

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Your choice. To what nation by the way?
I thought about moving to Poland, but I don't like the influence of the church there, but having two nationalities, it would give little trouble to move to there ( I've never lived there being born in the NL but I hold the Polish nationality too), then again, I've not 100% liked it there either... But to summerise, I like the NL atm more than PL, but the NL have been moving in the wrong direction for the past couple of years now imho ( PvdA, SP and GL influence), while PL has been moving in the rigth direction. It'll probably take PL 10-15 more years till I'd seriously consider living there. But if I'd get a nice internship for my study there, I'd gladly move there temporarily, see how it is to live there now for half a year.


In NL, I have my parents in Rotterdam and Capelle ad IJssel, I'd be looking for something in the area of that, the cheapest house I liked was 197k near Strijen...

In PL, I have family living in Warsaw, Lublin and Garwolin, anything near that is fine too...

As I said, I'm biased because most of my family there have built beautiful houses for themselves ( my mothers side, rural areas near Garwolin) or live the the heart of Warsaw in bigger appartements than we live here ( fathers side).
Aside from that, I'd love to move to Canada, seems like a nice country for me. I considered the US but they seem to backwards politically still, I'm very right winged compared to the average Dutch, but I still think The Republicans there are a bunch of morons, and the Democrats should be far more liberal still... The UK seems nice in a way too, somewhere in the north, but the UK also has an odd political climate imho.


About Motorways here, I find it a shame the government doesn't see (the PvdA side) how new roads are a good investment, especially with the congestion going on here. And how they go bonkers protecting small bits of grassland used for nothing but cows. It's almost easier to build roads here in an urban area politics wise than in rural cowland, which is a shame imo...

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