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Old February 26th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #9061
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Moerdijk Bridges

This is the Hollands Diep (Hollands Deep), the widest river in the Netherlands. There are three bridges at this point, from front to back (west to east), the 2x3 A16 motorway bridge, the 2-track high-speed rail bridge and the 2-track conventional rail bridge, the latter being the oldest.

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Old February 26th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #9062
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I always felt like creating those little piers of land at either end is cheating. You could have built a much more impressive bridge if you'd just bothered to span the entire width with steel instead of earth.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #9063
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There were actually plans made in the early 1970s to replace the 1936 bridge with a giant cable-stayed bridge with a main span of 400 meters (which would make it the largest cable-stayed bridge in the world at that time). However it was found impractical and horizon pollution. They instead widened the existing bridge from 4 to 6 lanes by 1978.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 07:56 PM   #9064
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horizon pollution.


A nice bridge is horizon pollution but the industry from Moerdijk isn't ( not that I don't like that, I like industry from a distance, but to just make a point) :



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The boring flat Dutch landscape would be so much better with more tall structures like high bridges everywhere! Also windmills are not a problem apparently ?
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Old February 26th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #9065
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A nice bridge is horizon pollution but the industry from Moerdijk isn't ( not that I don't like that, I like industry from a distance, but to just make a point) :

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The boring flat Dutch landscape would be so much better with more tall structures like high bridges everywhere! Also windmills are not a problem apparently ?
You prefer a lot of men made landscapes?
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Old February 26th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #9066
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You prefer a lot of men made landscapes?
Yes, the Westchedlt barrier, the Maasvlakte and A15 through the Port of Rotterdam, the Afluitdijk, all kept on pristine conditions (no trash or decaying structures shown), are among the most amazing landscapes in Europe.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #9067
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Virtually all of the Netherlands is man-made. Nature that hasn't been touched since before 1900 does not exist. All other natural areas are intensively managed. That does not mean the Netherlands does not have any natural value, the Oostvaardersplassen between Almere and Lelystad (once intended as a large industrial area) are among the most interesting areas in the Netherlands, it almost looks like some kind of savanna from the lookout point south of Lelystad.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:10 PM   #9068
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What is the tallest (from median water level) pylon in Dutch road bridges?
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Probably the Erasmus Bridge in Rotterdam, it's 139 meters tall.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:17 PM   #9070
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Yes, the Westchedlt barrier, the Maasvlakte and A15 through the Port of Rotterdam, the Afluitdijk, all kept on pristine conditions (no trash or decaying structures shown), are among the most amazing landscapes in Europe.
You are joking! That puts the Grand Canyon pretty much in a black spot... And even the Zillertaler Naturpark here in the Mayrhofen area is way more spectacular than a motorway through a lake and a few dams to stop the flatscapes from flooding.

Friesland has always had a special place in my heart though...
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #9071
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And even the Zillertaler Naturpark here in the Mayrhofen area is way more spectacular than a motorway through a lake and a few dams to stop the flatscapes from flooding.
Geez, might it be possible for people to have different opinions on things?

Personally I like the Maasvlakte, A15 through the Port of Rotterdam, The Enclosure Dam and the Westerscheldt barrier a lot. But that doesn't immediately mean that I think that the Grand Canyon sucks.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #9072
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You prefer a lot of men made landscapes?
Not necessarily, I love mountainous or hilly areas, I just don't like boring Dutch flatland/grassland.

In that view, I prefer refineries and industry over some polder!

Friesland, ugh . Infra wise it's nice to blast through though, nice low traffic and population density!

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Not necessarily, I love mountainous or hilly areas, I just don't like boring Dutch flatland/grassland.

In that view, I prefer refineries and industry over some polder!
Give and take, I suppose. I love my Alps, I love tropical jungles, I love the spectacular views on the Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls, but I have always got a special warm place for the green fields of Friesland. The Veluwe forest I find really nice, but the rest of the Netherlands? Thank you but I'll pass. I hate men made industrial landscapes.
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The Alps are also very nice, I've driven through plenty of Alpine passes, including some of the highest ones.

But I consider mountains/cliffs/ocean a different kind of beauty.

My whole point is: the Dutch built-up environment looks extremely nice compared to the built environment of any other country I've visited extensively in Europe. Almost no decay to be seen, neat industrial parks, no junk thrown around factories etc.

Just something very different of what I'd see across the border in Germany, let alone back in Italy.

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Anyway, what is the lowest altitude on the (auto)snelweg network, excluding tunnels/underpasses? Somewhere near Lelystad? A16 in Dordrecht?
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Anyway, what is the lowest altitude on the (auto)snelweg network, excluding tunnels/underpasses? Somewhere near Lelystad? A16 in Dordrecht?
I'd say the A20 somewhere around here. This is very close to the lowest point of The Netherlands. (in the Prins Alexander polder)
(off topic: will they rename that to King Alexander polder? )
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Old February 26th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #9076
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Anyway, what is the lowest altitude on the (auto)snelweg network, excluding tunnels/underpasses? Somewhere near Lelystad? A16 in Dordrecht?
I suppose that would be A20 just east of Rotterdam at about -6, -7 m. (Zuidplaspolder).

Otherwise it's the N62 Westerschelde Tunnel at -60 m.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #9077
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Anyway, what is the lowest altitude on the (auto)snelweg network, excluding tunnels/underpasses? Somewhere near Lelystad? A16 in Dordrecht?
And the highest?
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Old February 27th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #9078
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By the way, "westerschelde barrier" doesn't exist, it's the "oosterschelde barrier". The westerschelde is an open way to the Nordsea.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:32 AM   #9079
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(off topic: will they rename that to King Alexander polder? )
Polder was named after a different guy; the Prince Alexander that died in 1884.

As to the highest point in the Dutch motorway network, it is the A76 near Heerlen, which reaches some 180 meters there. That is below the lowest point of quite a few landlocked countries ...
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I wonder what the bridge with the highest clearance is in the Netherlands. Most bridges across the large rivers have a relatively low clearance of just over 9 meters (the so-called Rijnvaarthoogte, or Rhine shipping clearance) above peak water level.

I think the Van Brienenoord Bridge in Rotterdam is the winner with a 24 - 25 meter clearance. The Eiland Bridge at Kampen may come in second at 16.5 meters. Most other large fixed bridges (like Stichtse Brug, Waal Bridge Nijmegen, etc.) have a clearance of generally 12 - 15 meters.

There are additionally some "talbrückes" or valley viaducts in southern Limburg, like this one, but I doubt if it exceeds 10 - 15 meters.
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