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Old July 12th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #9521
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Dutch city centers don't have a lot of employment that attracts people from out of town. It's mostly retail and restaurants and bars, no large office centers, except for Rotterdam and perhaps The Hague.

For example, there are approximately 700,000 vehicles that drive to and from the Amsterdam region on one of the many motorways, yet only a marginal share of that goes deeper into the city than the A10 Ring Road. Most employment is on industrial areas, office parks and edge cities like Hoofddorp, where the exits can handle the amount of traffic. Many exits have been upgraded in recent years with additional lanes and highly efficient traffic light timing.

Most roads in the urban core are just two-lane streets. Multilane urban arterials are much rarer in the Netherlands than they are for example in British, German or French cities. They only exist around motorway exits, on industrial areas and suburban areas. Keep in mind that the Dutch population grew by 60% after World War II, we came from a much lower base than most other countries, hence our city cores are relatively small in area and employment.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #9522
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The Netherlands is (are?) very decentralized. This country is very densely populated (404 ppl/sqkm), but the population is spread, and employment, too, is decentralized. It's not like in London, Frankfurt(M) or, in less dimensions, Budapest, where everyone travels to city centers.
As a consequence, traffic is decentralized as well. That's why in this country public transport has such a low modal share.

The situation is not the very same, but similar in the neighborhood, North-Rhine-Westphalia.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #9523
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Yes, the Randstad metropolitan area has - depending on definition - approximately 7.5 million inhabitants, yet the largest city (Amsterdam) contains only 10% of that population.

However, it is also not entirely similar to the Ruhr Area, which is much more grown together than the Randstad. There are substantial swaths of virtually unpopulated countryside between the largest cities. That is why the Netherlands is one of the few countries with a 2x5 motorway running through empty countryside. There is a good 20 kilometers of countryside that looks like Friesland or Zeeland between Utrecht and Amsterdam. Similarly, the route from Utrecht to Rotterdam or The Hague also runs through relatively unspoilt (cultivated, but not developed) countryside.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #9524
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Interesting replies, thanks. However, the Rotterdam (in particular) and Den Haag area is the only one I really know so I'm especially interested in the impact on it. But even there, I am not by any means an expert on peak time traffic flows... Is that area likely to suffer from a substantial increase in congestion do we think? The motorways around Rotterdam seem very congested to me, but so are roads like the 'Tunneltraverse'.

The stuff about public transport interested me as well. From what I can gather (from a rather disparate array of sources so I'm not certain of the accuracy), local public transport has a low modal share on the whole but it's fairly normal in the large cities. Trains on the other hand have a fairly high modal share, higher than in the UK, so presumably most of this demand is concentrated on Rotterdam, Den Haag and Amsterdam (Zuid)?
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Old July 13th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #9525
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The Netherlands have numerous relatively small cities, spaced apart by 30 - 50 kilometers, which makes the train a good alternative for city-to-city commutes. The average train trip is much longer than the average car trip. However, urban public transport is generally slower than taking a bicycle, especially trams and buses. Again, this is due to the small nature of our cities, where it is rarely more than 8 - 10 kilometers from the outer neighborhoods to the city center. The Netherlands has no cities of over 800,000 inhabitants, only 4 cities with more than 300,000 inhabitants, but there are 28 cities in the 90,000 - 250,000 range.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #9526
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A50 Apeldoorn - Vaassen

Some photos I took a week ago. A50 has a notable space reservation for 2x3 lanes in the median.

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A50 viaduct Woudhuizermark-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A50 viaduct Terwoldseweg-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A50 viaduct Broeklanderweg-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A50 viaduct Kanaalweg-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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A50 viaduct Werlerweg-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #9527
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Is it art? No it is actually a bridge segment.
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Old July 15th, 2013, 03:48 PM   #9528
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It's really not photo shop?
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Old July 15th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #9529
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Nope, no photoshop

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N377 Balkbrug

A new grade-separated interchange will be constructed in the town of Balkbrug. The N377 is currently a 4-lane divided road with a 70 kph speed limit, which will be retained for the most part, but a traffic light will be replaced by an underpass for through traffic.

Unfortunately another planned interchange between Nieuwleusen and Balkbrug will become a traffic light, funding is removed from that interchange to the new one in Balkbrug.

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A28 Amersfoort

Last week we were discussing the A28 motorway around Amersfoort. It turns out the roadworks are already finished and the additional left shoulder running and auxiliary lanes opened to traffic today!

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Old July 15th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #9532
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A new grade-separated interchange will be constructed in the town of Balkbrug.
Is that going to be a very tiny SPUI?
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Old July 15th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #9533
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There are no SPUI's in the Netherlands. This one has the same shape, but not exactly the same function, the north-south route becomes the priority route, there will be no traffic lights.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #9534
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Does anybody have the new information on N33 reconstruction progress between A7 and A28?
You can find pics here Nothing too spectacular.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #9535
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Probably not the easiest sign to read.

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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:41 AM   #9536
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They could at least have put up sign saying that you are about to enter a ring road...
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Old July 17th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #9537
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Actually, the white sign does.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #9538
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Probably not the easiest sign to read.
Any idea why they don't use the informal/modern spelling DEN BOSCH instead of 'S-HERTOGENBOSCH, It's quicker to read and it is also use in daily speaking. Like the current road/highway-signs are written as DEN HAAG, but officially it's 'S-GRAVENHAGE.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #9539
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Den Haag is an official name (as is 's-Gravenhage), Den Bosch isn't. It's that simple.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #9540
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The 1990s Valk road maps had the Hague labeled as 's-Gravenhage while the road signs had Den Haag
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