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Old October 23rd, 2013, 04:59 PM   #10021
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When my grandfather was a truck driver in the 1950s, it was a well-respected profession that required a lot of training. Those guys took it very seriously.

These days, any jackass with a van license...
Wait, what ?

Perhaps in Eastern Europe where you can buy certificates, do you have any idea how much time and money it costs to legitimately get all the certificates and licences to drive a truck these days? Unless your eployer wants to cough it up, there's no point at all beginning for it by yourself!
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 06:36 PM   #10022
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For the largest vehicles on long hauls (possibly with hazardous goods), sure. But it's not hard to get into any smaller to medium-sized truck for short(er) trips. Couple those fellas with the folks who drive trucks on license plates or licenses from less strict countries and you've got a mighty army of questionable drivers.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #10023
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N33 Assen - Noordbroek

The railroad viaduct across the N33 in Groningen province has to be replaced to accommodate the widening to 2x2 lanes. They replace the viaduct in 4 days, but the old viaduct unexpectedly broke in half when they were demolishing it. The road will reopen Monday morning.

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The new viaduct was constructed nearby and will be driven to its final location.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 07:11 PM   #10024
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A2 Abcoude

New sign indicating historic or touristic spots. This one at A2 near Abcoude represents the "Stelling van Amsterdam", or defense line of Amsterdam a series of fortifications around Amsterdam that can flood the surrounding terrain to hamper any enemy from advancing into Amsterdam. It was built from 1880 to 1920 but was obsolete from the beginning, however it wasn't decomissioned until 1961. It's a UNESCO World Heritage Site since 1996.

Also note the hectometer indication of 41.1 km. A2 starts just a few kilometers from here and was never planned to extend further north.

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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:31 PM   #10025
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The thing that irritates me on that pic: the speed sing
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #10026
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #10027
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The thing that irritates me on that pic: the speed sing
You mean on the hectometer sign? Why? LOL
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #10028
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You mean on the hectometer sign? Why? LOL
Cause it's too damn low!
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #10029
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Ah, I understand.

Well, I don't remember particularly that stretch of motorway, but there is any good reason for it? Or just any explanation?
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:45 PM   #10030
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A2 is a huge motorway. It's the widest rural motorway in Europe, 2x5 lanes from Amsterdam to Utrecht.

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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:48 PM   #10031
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Yes, just huge... that low speed limit is nonsense.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:51 PM   #10032
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Well, I don't remember particularly that stretch of motorway, but there is any good reason for it? Or just any explanation?
When A2 was widened it was the original plan to widen it to 4 lanes per direction. Since that would not be sufficient for the long term the plan changed to 5 lanes per direction. To keep municipalities from appealing against the extra lane (it would take a lot of time, and a solution was needed quickly) a deal was made with the municipalities: if the municipalities would not appeal against the extra lane, the speed limit would become 100 km/h. To enforce this section control was installed.
During the night the speed was brought up to 130 km/h on 2/3 of the stretch. And since it's section controlled with a ridiculous low speed limit, the small part that remained 100 km/h is now a cashcow. People think that the entire stretch is 130 km/h causing them to go 30 km/h over the limit, resulting in a fine of over 250 euros.

The section control on the entire stretch (the 100 km/h part is 1 of 3 section controls: if you speed in all of them you only have to pay the highest fine) was good for 335.000 fines in 4 months (may-august)!!

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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #10033
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Thanks... interesting. However which was the benefit for municipalities by setting a lower speed limit? Are they who receive the money from fines?
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:57 PM   #10034
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However which was the benefit for municipalities by setting a lower speed limit? Are they who receive the money from fines?
They did it cause they didn't want the extra noise (pollution). Note that the speed limit on the old 6-lane A2 was 120 km/h.
Bunch of f*cking NIMBY's...
They don't receive a penny of those fines.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #10035
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So, it would be better to install acoustic panels... whatever...

Now, I understand better... thanks!
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #10036
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There are sufficient noise barriers and A2 has silent pavement (double-layer porous asphalt). You can barely hear traffic even if there is not a noise barrier between you and the motorway and you're standing less than 50 meters away.

The 100 km/h speed limit is based on nothing, it was just blackmail by the municipalities so that they would not obstruct the widening of A2 from 2x3 to 2x5 lanes. However, nowadays municipalities cannot appeal against a decision from a higher government, so transportation minister Schultz is pushing for a raise to 130 km/h.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #10037
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Why not. It's 130 on the 5x5 stretch of the A4 near Schiphol airport. I was there last Wednesday in the evening. I would dare to say that it's one of the most futuristic stretches of motorway in Europe, and extra impressive with these airport landing lights around the motorway....
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #10038
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Well, it's not 5x5 but 2x5
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #10039
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Well, usually motorways in tunnel have lower speed limits as default, even with hard shoulders. It is pretty common.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #10040
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Well, it's not 5x5 but 2x5
Well yes, that as well
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