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Old November 4th, 2013, 10:33 PM   #10081
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So my girlfriend lives in Leeuwarden, Holland of all places. I spend my time between South Africa and England and Holland is new to me.

I took a car over and have been driving a lot throughout Holland, and first impressions say to me it is the most pleasurable place to drive. I particularly love how each lane gets their own traffic light at an intersection. Signs are very good and drivers the most patient I have encountered.

I was first concerned about all the cyclists and that they would be a hazard like they are in the UK, but they seamlessly fit in with everything else, so long as you know when and where to give way, I find it strange for example having to slam the brakes on as I exit a circle. All in all an absolute pleasure
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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #10082
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Leeuwarden, Holland
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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #10083
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Oh no you didn't
Sorry, Ljouwert, Fryslan

And there was me thinking I would, as an Afrikaans speaker, be able to understand people there
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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #10084
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Sorry, Ljouwert, Fryslan

And there was me thinking I would, as an Afrikaans speaker, be able to understand people there.
I forgive you.
Did you actually speak Afrikaans to see if we'd understand?


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I find it strange for example having to slam the brakes on as I exit a circle.
That's just how most roundabouts work in our built-up areas. It's pretty much ingrained in our brains to give way at the exits.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #10085
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That's just how most roundabouts work in our built-up areas. It's pretty much ingrained in our brains to give way at the exits.
This differs per city.

In my town, Capelle ad IJssel, cyclists always have to yield to cars on roundabouts ( bar one exception where the cyclists aren't separated, but when there is a separate cycle path, cars do not have to wait for them at roundabouts...).
In Rotterdam, 300 meters from here, cars have to always yield to cyclists on roundabouts.

Always watch the signs/road markings on every roundabout!
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:14 AM   #10086
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I forgive you.
Did you actually speak Afrikaans to see if we'd understand?
I speak Afrikaans and am generally understood. I understand most Dutch if spoken fairly slowly and can understand it all when written down. The problem comes with the use of "de" and "het" which is very confusing, Afrikaans only has one word for "the"..

Once when ordering a water in Afrikaans I recieved a small glass of vodka.

Fresian on the other hand. I didn't even know about it before I went there.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #10087
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Always watch the signs/road markings on every roundabout!
So transfixed am I on the triangles in the road that I sometimes miss other things. One problem that as an outsider I have with driving there. Otherwise, it's superb
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #10088
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In my town, Capelle ad IJssel, cyclists always have to yield to cars on roundabouts ( bar one exception where the cyclists aren't separated, but when there is a separate cycle path, cars do not have to wait for them at roundabouts...).
Congrats on living in like the only place where cyclists don't have priority on inner-city roundabouts
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #10089
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So transfixed am I on the triangles in the road that I sometimes miss other things. One problem that as an outsider I have with driving there. Otherwise, it's superb
Try searching for these first, the sign-version of the 'sharkteeth'. The signs are easier to spot from a distance giving you the time you need to fucos on the actual road
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #10090
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Try searching for these first, the sign-version of the 'sharkteeth'. The signs are easier to spot from a distance giving you the time you need to fucos on the actual road
Ahah, are these everywhere that there are shark teeth? I don't want to be missing any shark teeth because of the lack of a yield sign..
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #10091
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They are not everywhere afaik, but they are in like 99% of places with sharkteeth.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #10092
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I speak Afrikaans and am generally understood. I understand most Dutch if spoken fairly slowly and can understand it all when written down. The problem comes with the use of "de" and "het" which is very confusing, Afrikaans only has one word for "the"..

Once when ordering a water in Afrikaans I recieved a small glass of vodka.

Fresian on the other hand. I didn't even know about it before I went there.
Having the internet nowadays I have become quite interested in music with Afrikaanse lyrics. For Dutch it is able to understand Afrikaans, however there are some false friends. I.e. the word 'net' which means 'alleen' in Dutch, while it sounds as 'niet'. In Dutch the word 'net' means 'almost'. (And the Frisian word 'net' really means 'niet').

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If you can understand Dutch, you can read more about Dutch roads on:
* wegenforum.nl
* wegenwiki.nl
* autosnelwegen.nl
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Old November 5th, 2013, 03:45 AM   #10093
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Congrats on living in like the only place where cyclists don't have priority on inner-city roundabouts
Only one ? Surely there are more places that aren't anti car ?

Nah but this is the only one afaik in Capelle where cyclists have the right of way:
http://goo.gl/maps/fGvM8

Other ones are either like this:
http://goo.gl/maps/jrb69
or this:
http://goo.gl/maps/HfPnq
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Old November 5th, 2013, 08:50 AM   #10094
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The David Hembrow cycling blog has a page showing every roundabout in Assen. Cars don't give way to bikes on roundabouts as they don't have the standard Dutch roundabout there:

http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com...-in-assen.html

Assen, is not anti-bike, though, and has very high cycle use.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 11:28 AM   #10095
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On my recent holiday to NL I noticed signs telling you to do your social media at a car park. Do people really need to be told?
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Old November 5th, 2013, 11:38 AM   #10096
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On my recent holiday to NL I noticed signs telling you to do your social media at a car park. Do people really need to be told?
Oh yes!
Sign you'll find all over the Netherlands particularly on motorways:


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Old November 5th, 2013, 11:50 AM   #10097
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Yes, I saw that everywhere, as well as text on variable message signs.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:13 PM   #10098
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People are stupid, and accidents do happen, so unfortunately these signs are necessary.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #10099
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(And the Frisian word 'net' really means 'niet').

Maybe in Afrikaans is Miskien, in Fresian I think it is Mischien, and in Dutch apparently something totally different.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #10100
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Maybe in Afrikaans is Miskien, in Fresian I think it is Mischien, and in Dutch apparently something totally different.
Misschien.

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Yes, I saw that everywhere, as well as text on variable message signs.
Ahh, the "Daar kun je mee thuiskomen" campaigns for road safety. We also have them for "I love driving on the right" and "I want to see you"(bicycle lights campaign).
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