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Old March 28th, 2008, 10:08 PM   #1001
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Staphorst is one of the most conservative places in the Netherlands. You can still see woman in traditional clothing and until the 1970's, bricks were throwed at cars driving on the A28 on sundays. That's a bit more relaxing now, but cursing is still forbidden although i don't think they can enforce that in any way. But i wouldn't want to live there ever.
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Old March 29th, 2008, 12:23 AM   #1002
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^ Wow, this sounds crazy!
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Old March 29th, 2008, 06:30 PM   #1003
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Today I drove from Amsterdam to Almere, A1 and A6. The bridge from Holland to Flevoland on the A6 is temporarily closed for trucks, because of roadworks. I was really surprised by the chaos. If you would follow the signs above the road, you would actually end up driving under water.....
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Old March 29th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #1004
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A few motorways are under the authority of the provinces, instead of the national government. The A348 near Arnhem is such a motorway. It's quite short, about 10km, and has a few exits. The A348 is a very scenic motorway, since it offers views of the river IJssel and the Veluwe hills. A few pics of it.

1. Entering the A348 from the east. This is the temporary end of the motorway, since it was intended to run all the way to Hoogeveen as A48.
[IMG]http://i28.************/293edqb.jpg[/IMG]

2. As you can see, it's a full profile motorway, just like all others.
[IMG]http://i25.************/riurg8.jpg[/IMG]

3. First sign for exit De Steeg
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4. Second sign. Dutch signs on motorways are placed with 600m intervals, it was surveyed this is the optimal distance with a 120 limit.
[IMG]http://i30.************/23wnv2s.jpg[/IMG]

5. Arnhem is some 12km away.
[IMG]http://i27.************/fw7i94.jpg[/IMG]

6. Exit De Steeg. Sorry for the blurry pic, i had direct sunlight.
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7. OUT (UIT), final exit sign.
[IMG]http://i28.************/22j4g0.jpg[/IMG]

8. The IJssel river, one of the large rivers in the Netherlands, and the only one running north from the other larger rivers.
[IMG]http://i28.************/fc67pd.jpg[/IMG]

9. Rest area Vale Waard. They usually pick strange names for rest area's, that otherwise noone would know.
[IMG]http://i30.************/2nlycr9.jpg[/IMG]

10. Exit to the rest area (no services)
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11. Yachts are visible from the motorway.
[IMG]http://i27.************/11tqvih.jpg[/IMG]

12. Exit Rheden, and industrial park Haveland.
[IMG]http://i29.************/1g64hc.jpg[/IMG]

13. River IJssel again.
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14. This is what we call a deceleration lane. (substandard, because it lacks a hard shoulder)
[IMG]http://i29.************/f1ywjc.jpg[/IMG]

15. Arnhem 7km, no other destinations shown.
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16. Exit Rheden.
[IMG]http://i31.************/2rpsoqx.jpg[/IMG]

17. Exit Velp ahead (suburb of Arnhem).
[IMG]http://i25.************/vhqmnd.jpg[/IMG]

18. New hype on Dutch signage: white (local) destinations
[IMG]http://i30.************/2z9hzd5.jpg[/IMG]

19. View of the Veluwe Hills, which are rising about 100 meters, quite high for Dutch standards.
[IMG]http://i31.************/2mfnbzc.jpg[/IMG]

20. Exit Velp, tiny sign, though still larger than a car.
[IMG]http://i25.************/10o32v5.jpg[/IMG]

21. View on the Arnhem skyline.
[IMG]http://i31.************/316wzyd.jpg[/IMG]

22. This type of signage is uncommon in the Netherlands.
[IMG]http://i31.************/muzzvl.jpg[/IMG]

23. Sign for directions for various important local destinations.
[IMG]http://i26.************/35m1tp2.jpg[/IMG]

24. Large landfill ahead.
[IMG]http://i25.************/2ymyniw.jpg[/IMG]

25. The interchange with the A12 motorway is substandard, it exists out of a roundabout. This roundabout is frequently congested (mainly from the other directions).
[IMG]http://i30.************/300xt8w.jpg[/IMG]

26. Interchange Velperbroek
[IMG]http://i28.************/eimwcj.jpg[/IMG]

27. Arnhem and Nijmegen across the roundabout, the N325 is a major artery in Arnhem, though it has traffic lights.
[IMG]http://i29.************/15n3ps8.jpg[/IMG]

28. This roundabout is controlled with traffic lights.
[IMG]http://i27.************/2exo7k5.jpg[/IMG]

29. German city of Oberhausen.
[IMG]http://i28.************/dh2w6g.jpg[/IMG]

30. New kind of signage is being tested around Velperbroek, it caused mixed reactions. It surely needs more development. The arrows are based on the German system.
[IMG]http://i26.************/u34hd.jpg[/IMG]

31. End of the A348.
[IMG]http://i26.************/2gsl4w6.jpg[/IMG]
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Old March 29th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #1005
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looks nice, I don't often see pics of these 3-digit dutch motorways. I once drove on the A270, from Eindhoven to Helmond. There is only one exit and it does not have a number. Furthermore, the surface seemed to be concrete to me. I've also driven on the A200 and the A205 near Haarlem. The A205 is the N205 now, does anyone know why they changed it, because it hasn't changed anything since they changed it. (well, they removed a gas station, wow)
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Old March 29th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #1006
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3-digit motorways tend do decrease, the A325 has been shortened to an expressway south of Ressen, the A270 and A208 are on the nomination to be downgraded to expressways. I think it has to do with the new classification of roads (altogether with lower speed limits on thousands of kilometers of roadways).
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Old March 29th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #1007
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Nice tour. One of the most entertaining motorways to drive in the country, since it's nice and twisty and there never seems to be any police around.
Some minor comments:
The skyline is still Velp.
The hill near the Velperbroekcircuit is not a landfill. It was built using the contaminated ground left after a former landfill was dismantled. Storing the ground this way is cheap and gives the office park a landmark.
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Old March 29th, 2008, 11:30 PM   #1008
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3-digit motorways tend do decrease, the A325 has been shortened to an expressway south of Ressen, the A270 and A208 are on the nomination to be downgraded to expressways. I think it has to do with the new classification of roads (altogether with lower speed limits on thousands of kilometers of roadways).
Does it means the amount of motorways will be decreased ?
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Old March 29th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #1009
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Such a short motorway, and so many pictures. It looks pretty quiet.

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25. The interchange with the A12 motorway is substandard, it exists out of a roundabout. This roundabout is frequently congested (mainly from the other directions).
Why do you think it's substandard? It's the end of the motorway anyway.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 12:05 AM   #1010
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I think Chris meant to say it is substandard because it is not possible to drive from one motorway to the other without stopping. Something like Leenderheide A2/A67 interchange.
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Does it means the amount of motorways will be decreased ?
Yes, I think so. However, it means that we will have more expressways in the Netherlands, because most roads stay the way they are, so still 2×2
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Old March 30th, 2008, 01:02 AM   #1012
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I think Chris meant to say it is substandard because it is not possible to drive from one motorway to the other without stopping. Something like Leenderheide A2/A67 interchange.
Oh, that. Maybe it's better in that particular example (like other directions are equally important despite not being motorways), but I don't know the situation in real.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #1013
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This is the Velperbroek roundabout, with the A348 coming from the upper right corner:

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Old March 30th, 2008, 10:54 AM   #1014
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Leenderheide looks somehow like this
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Old March 30th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #1015
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3-digit motorways tend do decrease, the A325 has been shortened to an expressway south of Ressen, the A270 and A208 are on the nomination to be downgraded to expressways. I think it has to do with the new classification of roads (altogether with lower speed limits on thousands of kilometers of roadways).
Many short motorways got a 3 digit number in 1993, when the national Road-autorithy decides to decentralise the management of many roads. Almost all non-motorway's and the 3 digit motorway's are now maintained by the province. Those roads should have 3 digits (of course there are exceptions to this rule); but normaly State roads gets 1 or 2 digits (A or N) and Province Roads gets a 3 digit number (mostly N). That's why the A 348 gets its number, before 1993 it was the A 48 and still a National Motorway. The reason many three digit motorways loose their status as motorway is simply because provinces don't like to maintain motorway's because they are more expensive than simple roads; even when it are 2x2 roads; you can keep the road in a lower shape when the motorwaystandards are not anymore applying. Mostly they use 'green' argumentation (better for health, enviorment etc.) to get moral support for it.
Roads wich are recently degraded to non-motorway:
* A 280 (former A 68) -> N 280: In the past it was a loose, very short motorway, which starts nowhere and ends in the city of Roermond. Now it is a simple N road, so there is no need for fully equipped interchanges.
* A 205 -> N 205: The expressroad to Haarlem Zuid lost the motorwaystatus after a new section of the N 205 is built to Hoofddorp. The reason seems to be in a wrong construction of the interchange; although it is completly free flow, the curvers are below motorway standard. The motorway part didn't had any exits.
* A 325 (former: A 52) -> N 325: This was a substandard motorway between the cities Arnhem and Nijmegen. The south part of this motorway crossed a little village (Lent), and the bridge over the river the motorway hadn't even seperated lanes. After the construction of a traffic-light junction made it ridicoulous to keep motorway sigange; still the old A number is visisble on some signs contributing to confusion for the road user. The north parth of the motorway is still officially a motorway, but it is likly to degrade as well.
* A 261: This road will get motorwaystandards for it's full lenght soon, but it will be probably be signed as a ordinary road: N 261.
* A 208: This road will be degrated to non-motorway in order to lower the speed limit so there will me less noise hinderance for people living close to the road.
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One of the most entertaining motorways to drive in the country, since it's nice and twisty and there never seems to be any police around.
Really? I heard people often get caught. It's very tempting to go 140-160km/h there.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 07:40 PM   #1017
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The number of traffic jams increased with another 11% this winter, compared to last winter in the Netherlands.

It has to do with last winter having few to no weather disruption, while this winter had some, but not very much. I wonder what happens if we get a "real" winter, with lots of snow.
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I'm sure it will be a total chaos. A few years ago, we had this very bad weather in the whole country, and traffic jams until 5:30 next morning. Still, only the eastern Netherlands suffered from snow. I wonder how many km of traffic jams we will have if there is snow everywhere (1500 km or more.....)
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Old April 1st, 2008, 01:44 PM   #1020
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The N2 in Maastricht usually gridlocks the entire city, i've experienced this a couple of times 2 weeks ago.
A new tunnels is in planning to go under the city. Hope it will be finished soon.
Why a tunnel? Why not a bypass?
there is enough room for a bypass, terrain is OK, and much cheaper than a tunnel...
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