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Old March 5th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #10501
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Exactly the reason why I don't like public transport personally even though it's free for me . Nothing to do with not understanding, I hate planning, I want to do what I want when I want it, not having to plan out trips, just get out and go, and get somewhere quickly. It's only a last resort if my money's gone and in bad weather.

I'm more of a sunny weather type, sunglasses on, arm out the window, roof open, no thick clothes, take it easy . Love the weather now . Or get on the moped in my t-shirt. Not to mention the Dutch are actually capable of normal driving in good weather mostly, less traffic jams than in winter or autumn.
You plainly live in the wrong country.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #10502
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Hihi, snowdog's ideal country is one like this:
inhabitants: himself
goverment influence: marginal/none
speed limit: gazilion/km/h
roads: empty and wide
gas price: 0,000001 vietnamese dong/liter
weather: constant 25 °C with blue skies!
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Old March 6th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #10503
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I agree sounds like pretty awesome place, Texas isn't so far from that though, but damn, if they get a little snow, or a little ice? Apocalypse
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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:17 AM   #10504
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You heard him, snowdog. Get your ass to Texas.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 02:41 PM   #10505
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I can already see myself driving around my ranch in my white '76 Cadillac Eldorado with the roof down, Ray bans on, cowboyhat .

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Rene Markink uit Enschede gaat vrijdag knooppunt Azelo op de A35 met auto's blokkeren. Met de actie wil hij aandacht vragen voor de misstanden in de politiek en maatschappij.
Samen met twintig vrienden voert hij de blokkade-actie uit. Om 15.00 uur wordt het verkeer op de snelweg tegengehouden. Met de actie sluit hij aan bij een landelijke protestactie die is ontstaan op Facebook. Volgens Markink is de actie tegen de huidige regering hard nodig omdat er veel misgaat. "Deze regering brengt het geld naar Brussel alsof het water is."
De actie zal volgens Markink veilig verlopen. Mocht het fout dreigen te gaan, dan wordt de actie onmiddellijk gestaakt. Transport en Logistiek Nederland heeft al aangegeven zich te distantiëren van de actie.
Some group wants to block the A35 @ the Azelo interchange with some friends as a protest against the government.

The idea might be good, but the place is completely wrong, if they want to block anything they should block The Hague so the politicials are actually affected.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #10506
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Pfff the EuroSceptism in the Netherlands is reaching levels which match crazyness. 99% of the people don't know what they are talking about and just copy populistic quotes from Far Left and Far right.

Blocking a road has what effect?
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Old March 6th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #10507
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Interestingly the Dutch and UK contribution to the EU is the lowest percentage of GDP of all EU countries at 0.65%
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Old March 6th, 2014, 03:43 PM   #10508
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But NL is still one of the very few net contributors, along with Italy, Germany, Belgium, France, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Austria, UK. All others get from EU more than they pay.
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Well we can't all receive more than than we pay and if we all reach a perfect 0, what's the point of the budget?

People need to stop whining about a budget that constitutes slightly more than 1% of EU GDP. Hopeless populism.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 03:54 PM   #10510
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Dutch populists also don't seem to understand that the Netherlands is only a tiny part of the EU. The Netherlands is only 3% of EU. If you follow the comments on the internet you'd think the Netherlands is single-handedly paying for Greek bailouts.

You see the same with Groningen province, which is always complaining how little money they get from the national budget. They don't seem to understand that 97% of the Dutch do not live in Groningen, hence Groningen does not get 10% of the national budget.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 04:30 PM   #10511
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Well we can't all receive more than than we pay and if we all reach a perfect 0, what's the point of the budget?
I was just stating a fact, I wasn't giving it political or populistic innuendos.

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You see the same with Groningen province, which is always complaining how little money they get from the national budget. They don't seem to understand that 97% of the Dutch do not live in Groningen, hence Groningen does not get 10% of the national budget.
Maybe this is not the case for Groningen, but budget should not only be calculated according to population, also to area, terrain, differences in population densities, economic strength... etc
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Old March 6th, 2014, 04:39 PM   #10512
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I was just stating a fact, I wasn't giving it political or populistic innuendos.
I know, I was just ranting. It wasn't directed at you.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 07:26 PM   #10513
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speed cameras

It has been reported that 9 out of 12 "section control" average speed cameras are currently out of order. Their electronic systems are outdated and malfunction so often they decided to shut them all down for the time being.

Apparently, the only remaining section controls are;

* A2 Amsterdam - Utrecht
* A4 at Leidschendam (outside The Hague)
* A12 Harmelen - Woerden (west of Rotterdam)
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Old March 6th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #10514
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Then again we have speed cameras at constructions sides:

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Old March 6th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #10515
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Well we can't all receive more than than we pay and if we all reach a perfect 0, what's the point of the budget?

People need to stop whining about a budget that constitutes slightly more than 1% of EU GDP. Hopeless populism.
I don't care that much about budget, my main gripe with the EU is the lack of democracy. The Netherlands voted no in the only chance we got, no-one listened. The EU might not be bad overall, but it is currently anti-democratic and I don't like that at all. There is barely any media control, there is barely any parliamentary control. I think those are big issues with the current EU.
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The Netherlands voted no in the only chance we got, noone listened.
The problem is that the Netherlands is not the important heavyweight member state the Dutch media lets you believe we are. As I said before, the Netherlands is only 3% of the European Union in terms of population, so things will be decided even if we don't agree with it. That happens in national politics as well, just like provincial or municipal politics.
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The problem is that the Netherlands is not the important heavyweight member state the Dutch media lets you believe we are. As I said before, the Netherlands is only 3% of the European Union in terms of population, so things will be decided even if we don't agree with it. That happens in national politics as well, just like provincial or municipal politics.
Of course. However the population in the Netherlands is not alone in its concerns. Again, as long as there is no proper democratic framework in the EU government, it's de facto against the constitution of the Netherlands to go along with it, whether we are small or not.

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Old March 7th, 2014, 04:28 AM   #10518
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I can already see myself driving around my ranch in my white '76 Cadillac Eldorado with the roof down, Ray bans on, cowboyhat .
These "end of era" large convertibles, especially 1975 or 1976 Eldorado are surprisingly easy to buy in the USA, and quite cheap, 5 000 Euro will get a very clean example. It's a funny problem... it was expected the USA would adopt very strict roll-over regulations in 1977 or so, and convertibles would have basically become illegal. People rushed to buy convertibles as "investment" in 1976 particularly, and convertible market in the US basically ended in 1977 (except Mercedes 450 SL). But so many bought the investment, and kept the cars practically undriven, that in fact, the investment sucked as there are too many and so the value is lower than other cars

I keep meaning to buy one but never get around to it, I have my economical little European, Saab turbo convertible instead, you can fit in the trunk of the Eldorado. The 1976 Eldorado though is kind of weak to drive, 8.2 litre V8 engine with 190 horsepower from anti-pollution controls. The original 1971 8.2 litre was rated 400 gross hp, now that could move I can't drive my convertible with cowboy hat though, keeps wanting to fly away.

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Old March 7th, 2014, 12:59 PM   #10519
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But NL is still one of the very few net contributors, along with Italy, Germany, Belgium, France, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Austria, UK. All others get from EU more than they pay.
The EU budget is not where the EU money is.

The Netherlands profits mainly from the free movement of goods, services and capital.
http://www.statistics.dnb.nl/index.c...uk&todo=Balans

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Old March 7th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #10520
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The Netherlands profits mainly from the free movement of goods, services and capital.
But as Switzerland shows, you don't need to be in the EU (or even EFTA) to do that. And they get to make their own trade agreements with other countries, enlarging the market they can access with free movement of goods, services and capital much quicker than the EU which is typically very reluctant to do that (only took 40 years for the UK to get back free trade with Canada as the little Europeans kept blocking proposals for EU-Canada free trade agreements ).

There are alternatives to the European project that give the same, if not better, economic results for countries like the Netherlands and the UK (given, EU figures say that the UK loses economically for being in the EU, on that score it is better off out), without the problems that are why people are sceptical of the EU.
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