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Old March 21st, 2014, 04:47 PM   #10561
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This will make the route to Germany shorter. Maybe many will stop using the (German) A-31 to travel via Assen.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 04:48 PM   #10562
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It is 1 kilometer shorter to be exact. But it will be longer in time because N33 is limited at 100 km/h.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:07 PM   #10563
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A22 Velser Tunnel

Rijkswaterstaat has selected the Hyacint consortium to renovate the A22 Velser Tunnel in 2015-2016 and maintain it for 7 years. The Velser Tunnel opened in 1957 and needs extensive renovation and modernization. It is the oldest motorway tunnel in the Netherlands.

The renovation will have a significant impact on traffic, because the renovation will require a long-term closure of the tubes. The tunnel clearance will be improved and the technical installations will be replaced to conform to the new Tunnel Law. All tunnels should be conform this new law by 2019.

They will try to mitigate the traffic congestion during the closure to build new temporary connects at the Beverwijk and Velsen motorway interchanges (these interchanges are currently splits and do not allow full access in all directions).

The tunnel carries 66,000 vehicles per day.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:08 PM   #10564
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I like the idea of "Gelbe Autostraße" in the Netherlands, we should use more of that concept. Roads like the N279, N33, N31 don't need a motorway status but controlled access and conflict free junctions are really useful!
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:14 PM   #10565
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I like the idea of "Gelbe Autostraße" in the Netherlands, we should use more of that concept. Roads like the N279, N33, N31 don't need a motorway status but controlled access and conflict free junctions are really useful!
But this concept already exists in the Netherlands, doesn't it? Autowegen are not similar to Gelbe Autostrasse?
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:19 PM   #10566
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Autowegen can be only 2 lane and disallowed to overtake.
Also the way they connect with highways is often with a motorway exit with traffic lights .

There should be more 2x2 lane access controlled roads without those pesky traffic lights and decent connections with motorways ( interchanges).
In general Duurzaam veilig is simply wrong, there has to be a clear change between ''through'' roads and ''area access'' roads according to Duurzaam veilig iirc, in reality this means very little un-interrupted interchanges between busy main roads and motorways but traffic lights at pretty much every exit.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:53 PM   #10567
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But this concept already exists in the Netherlands, doesn't it? Autowegen are not similar to Gelbe Autostrasse?
There are but they are usually short and single laned!
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:56 PM   #10568
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Some of the recent 4-lane expressways (autowegen) are of such high geometric standard that they could easily be motorways. For example, N31 Leeuwarden - Drachten, new N31 around Leeuwarden, N31 near Harlingen, N33 Assen - Zuidbroek, new N261 Waalwijk - Tilburg, new N279 's-Hertogenbosch - Veghel, etc.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 06:33 PM   #10569
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Motorway-like? So these projects should be part of my list, shouldn't they? Which sections are currently u/c?
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Old March 21st, 2014, 06:36 PM   #10570
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They have no shoulders. The Netherlands doesn't have a good record when it comes to shoulders and pull-off space along roads. Often you get stuck in the soft soil, which is quite dangerous if you inadvertently get off the road while driving.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 06:44 PM   #10571
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The German A8 and A270 do also not have shoulders but they are even Autobahns . If the roads have two carriageways, are access-controlled and grade-separated... yes, they should be part of the damn list .
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Old March 21st, 2014, 07:41 PM   #10572
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N35 Nijverdal - Wierden

Some very good news today, they decided to include two grade-separated interchanges into the design of the new N35 expressway from Nijverdal to Wierden. These planned interchanges were previously scrapped in 2012 because the project was going to cost more than the available budget of € 100 million.

Two interchanges, one full-access interchange and one grade-separated overpass (no access) are now included in the plans. The additional cost of € 21 million will be borne by both the national government and local governments.

This plan is part of two overlapping projects. Currently under construction is the Salland-Twente Tunnel and new N35 alignment through Nijverdal, which will open late 2014. The planned N35 upgrade east of Nijverdal overlaps with the tunnel project, and the traffic signals will eventually be replaced by grade-separation.

The tunnel project is being constructed with space for 4 lanes, but will be marked with 2x1 lanes (with median divider) for the time being. This tunnel project is based on a 1995 design, when 4-laning N35 was not part of the official plans. It is currently planned to eventually upgrade N35 from Zwolle to Wierden to a 4-lane, 100 km/h controlled-access expressway.

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The German A8 and A270 do also not have shoulders but they are even Autobahns . If the roads have two carriageways, are access-controlled and grade-separated... yes, they should be part of the damn list .
So you should include N261 Tilburg-A59: https://goo.gl/maps/9P1an

2x2 highway, fully grade-separated.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 10:50 PM   #10574
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And the N254. Although I'm not sure where the plans to make the entire road 2x2 are at the moment, they might have been scrapped.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 02:01 PM   #10575
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Italian newspaper La Repubblica published some pictures of Veluwemeer acquaduct:

http://www.repubblica.it/viaggi/2014...1/?ref=HRESS-2

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There are currently 29 such aqueducts completed or under construction in the Netherlands
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 02:33 PM   #10577
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They should've picked the naviduct near Enkhuizen, with sluices over the road, would've made it even more interesting
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:33 PM   #10578
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Yes but, you know, Repubblica discovered the Internet yesterday...
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:41 PM   #10579
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The first photo is also found on Flickr.
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Driving Underwater . Aquaduct Veluwemeer, Netherlands by photo.pedia, on Flickr
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And no picture in that photogalley is credited
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