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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #10781
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The Caribbean island of Sint Maarten seems to be the first place where signage is installed according to the new guidelines of 2014.

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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:31 PM   #10782
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Courtesy of Rijkswaterstaat? Will they be running the show in the Dutch Caribbean?
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:34 PM   #10783
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I imagine Rijkswaterstaat, even though it has the word 'rijk' in it only maintains the roads and road signs in the country of the Netherlands. On Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten the local DOTs do. But I'm guessing the road(sign) rules are sort of the same. There's also no Rijkswaterstaat logo on the signs like we have here on the mainland.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #10784
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There isn't. But these signs are clearly manufactured in the Netherlands, as I have noticed a few Dutch motorway signs in stock as well.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:48 PM   #10785
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This is a situation I've noticed a while ago as I was waiting for an open bridge. On the left is an old ANWB sign, on the right the new Rijkswaterstaat one. I clearly prefer the old ANWB one, what do you think?

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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:48 PM   #10786
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What's behind the roundabout pannels? There is in Sint Maarten any road with a red road number rectangle?

Because I feel the picture hasn't been taken in the Caribbean but in the Netherlands.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #10787
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What's behind the roundabout pannels? There is in Sint Maarten any road with a red road number rectangle?

Because I feel the picture hasn't been taken in the Caribbean but in the Netherlands.
As I was saying earlier: these signs are clearly manufactured in the Netherlands. These motorway signs seems to be leading to Groningen en Utrecht if I am not mistaken.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #10788
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My guess is that it's a motorway sign signalling Utrecht and Groningen.

EDIT: too late!
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #10789
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Old May 8th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #10790
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This is a situation I've noticed a while ago as I was waiting for an open bridge. On the left is an old ANWB sign, on the right the new Rijkswaterstaat one. I clearly prefer the old ANWB one, what do you think?
Both signs are ANWB, on the left is the "old school" sign, which was phased out in the early 2000s in favor of ANWB Redesign, like the sign on the right. However, redesign is now being phased out in the new guidelines of 2014, however it will take a while for the new signs to gain ground. But the ANWB installed over 100,000 directional signs with Redesign in the 2002-2007 period.

Rijkswaterstaat never implemented ANWB Redesign, in fact ANWB lost its monopoly on road signage in the Netherlands. Some provinces later tendered road signage to Tebodin, which also doesn't use Redesign.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #10791
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Apparently, there is a problem with the work conditions of subcontrators of A4 project in Delft. Foreign workers are sometimes hired in violation of Dutch laws, there is a somehow grey area about subcontracting mobile, but site-specific, work.

Source (Dutch): http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2680/...tbuiting.dhtml
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Old May 8th, 2014, 05:50 PM   #10792
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This happened with A2 in Maastricht as well. The major contractors use international employment agencies that reportedly pay little taxes and require large "housing payments" to be deducted from the salaries. If you look at the paycheck, it seems to conform to Dutch regulation, but these agencies cut off hundreds of euros for dubious costs.
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I read they were charging up to € 750/month in housing costs for workers earning € 23000/year, which is totally absurd and much more than they would pay had they rented social housing on their own and getting subsidies for low income.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #10794
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I read they were charging up to € 750/month in housing costs for workers earning € 23000/year, which is totally absurd and much more than they would pay had they rented social housing on their own and getting subsidies for low income.
And is it easy for not Dutch speakers?

For sure, those companies are taking advantage of foreigners who don't know the country and probably the language (in the case of the Netherlands)... a pity, shit happens. However the good point is that apparently they are in the way of solving it.
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This is a situation I've noticed a while ago as I was waiting for an open bridge. On the left is an old ANWB sign, on the right the new Rijkswaterstaat one. I clearly prefer the old ANWB one, what do you think?

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I dislike that they seem to put all the signs high up on a pole, in stead of where your eyes normally focus on; road-level. Seems like the most useless thing ever, but I'm sure there's a reason for it.

Does anyone know how the sign would be positioned according to the new guidelines?
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Old May 8th, 2014, 10:00 PM   #10796
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The main reason I believe is that low signs are blocked by trucks. Don't pin me down on this though.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #10797
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I find the Dutch signposting quite unique. High up and visible for everyone to see, unlike those Belgian signs against a wall of a building, obscured by parked vehicles, bikes or human beings.
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The main reason I believe is that low signs are blocked by trucks. Don't pin me down on this though.
Yes, I think the same about high signs. It is really disturbing when a truck or big vehicle hide exactly the sign you need (Murphy's law ). However, in single lanes roads I found it pretty useless.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 02:29 AM   #10799
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The Caribbean island of Sint Maarten seems to be the first place where signage is installed according to the new guidelines of 2014.

I'd like to learn more about the new guidelines. Can you give any more information about how they're changing, or maybe a link?
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Old May 9th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #10800
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Why is the airport signed both ways? When is Sint Maarten going to get some road numbers, like the other side of the Island has? At least then it would be confusing to see the airport signed two ways.

I also can't quite place the junction on the ground - that side turn from the Marigot road to the airport is confusing me.

Interesting that they don't tell you that Marigot is over a border. Especially as it is a external EU border (Sint Maarten not in the EU, Saint-Martin is in the EU).
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