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Old April 6th, 2008, 03:54 PM   #1081
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In Albanian it is Holanda.
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Old April 6th, 2008, 04:20 PM   #1082
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It's true, in some countries Holland is the only name for our country. But the Netherlands is the only official name. Then again, naming conventions can be quite hard. Especially when you consider the Netherlands are one of the two countries which capital is not the seat of government also. So 2 names for one country, and 2 cities which both can claim in one way or another that they are 'capital'

Thanks for all the pictures of the Dutch Antilles. Never been there but it's great to see such pictures.

As for our motorways, I don't have a car. But I really like them. They are IMO way better then many motorways in other countries, even here in Europe. They are nice and smooth, and usually quite sufficient for what they do. But there is one big problem and that is peak capicity (sic) I can see the A13 (from Rotterdam to The Hague) here from my window and I often tend to check if the trafficreports are correct. At least if the jam is really there. And most of the time one is there. I can also see the flyovers etc from my balcony and it's very impressive to see those trucks driving 'in the air' (the viaduct is hidden by trees)

On the other hand, the railways which I tend to use are often not much better with delays, although that is improving quite a bit. While the trafficjams only get worse.

The solution to our trafficjams? I would not know. More tarmac seems a solution but that is a temporarily one as you can have only so much. I think that having a better supporting network would be better, many 'regional' roads here are motorways also. We have most motorways per km2 in the world, but unlike our neigbours like germany we don't have alternative routes which can be a HUGE bottleneck.
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Old April 6th, 2008, 04:29 PM   #1083
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Those "Umleitung" signs at every German exit could be a solution for the Netherlands (and then especailly for Holland )
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Old April 6th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #1084
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LOL, confusions enough about the Netherlands.

I come from Friesland. Thats in the north of the Netherlands...

When in Denmark.. i should say 'i am from the north of Holland...' Thats very confusing cause one of the provinces of the Netherlands is called North Holland and is located in the 'west' of the Netherlands...

I never say Holland myself..

Funny thing i heard about the dutch railways... 'De Hollandske Nederlandse Spoorwegen'
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Old April 6th, 2008, 05:48 PM   #1085
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Those "Umleitung" signs at every German exit could be a solution for the Netherlands (and then especailly for Holland )
There are a few of those routes actually.
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Old April 6th, 2008, 06:16 PM   #1086
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Really? Where?
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Check here (Flevoland, Gelderland and Limburg
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Old April 6th, 2008, 06:25 PM   #1088
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Thanks, I've really never seen them before. Ok, I go to Limburg about once a year, Gelderland only to travel through, and Flevoland to play matches. I'm surprised we have that in NL. Does it help when there are traffic jams?
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Old April 7th, 2008, 02:16 PM   #1089
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It's true, in some countries Holland is the only name for our country. But the Netherlands is the only official name. Then again, naming conventions can be quite hard. Especially when you consider the Netherlands are one of the two countries which capital is not the seat of government also. So 2 names for one country, and 2 cities which both can claim in one way or another that they are 'capital'
Although it can be for some people a little bit confusing, I think our capital city is pretty clear. Claiming that The Hague is the capical city hard, especially because in our constitution it is named as the capital city (Amsterdam).
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Old April 7th, 2008, 07:39 PM   #1090
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It's the same way as people here tend to say England, while meaning the UK. Officially it's just a part of the country, but everyone knows what you're talking about.

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Old April 7th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #1091
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Or "America", when referring to the USA
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:47 PM   #1092
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[NL] Dutch Highways & Autosnelwegen # II

Previous thread

Some of my roadpics. (Complete overview here.)


A1/A28 Amsterdam - Zwolle
N14-N44-A44-A4 Den Haag - Amsterdam
A28 Zwolle - Assen
A37 Hoogeveen - Meppen
A37 Meppen - Hoogeveen
A37/A28 Emmen - Zwolle
N9 Alkmaar - Den Helder
N31 Leeuwarden - Drachten
N34 Ommen - Coevorden
N34 Gieten - Emmen
N35 Zwolle - Almelo
N35 Gronau - Zwolle
N48 Hoogeveen - Ommen
N69 Neerpelt - Eindhoven
N99 Den Helder - Den Oever
N224 Arnhem - Woudenberg
N241 Schagen - Hoorn
N242 Alkmaar - Middenmeer
N243 Hoorn - Alkmaar
N245 Alkmaar - Schagen
N248 Wieringerwerf - Schagen
N250 Den Helder
N278 Maastricht - Vaals
N281 Heerlen
N298 Hoensbroek - Valkenburg
N302 Hoorn - Kootwijk
N305 Almere - Dronten
N310 Elburg - Arnhem
N331 Zwolle - Emmeloord
N333 Steenwijk - Marknesse
N334 Zwartsluis - Steenwijk
N337 Deventer - Zwolle
N340 Ommen - Zwolle
N345 Apeldoorn - Zutphen
N346 Hengelo - Zutphen
N348 Zutphen - Ommen
N349 Almelo - Denekamp
N359 Lemmer - Leeuwarden
N371 Meppel - Assen
N374 Stadskanaal - Hoogeveen
N375 Zwartsluis - Pesse
N376 Nieuw-Amsterdam - Rolde
N377 Hasselt - Coevorden
N378 Gasselte - Stadskanaal
N381 Emmen - Drachten
N382 Coevorden
N756 Raalte - Wijhe
N757 Dalfsen - Wijthmen
N758 Zwolle - Nieuwleusen
N759 Hasselt - Genemuiden
N760 Genemuiden - IJsselmuiden
N762 Weerribben
N763 Wezep - Kampen
N764 Kampen - Zwolle

Youtube movies:

Netherlands:
A1 Deventer - Apeldoorn
A1 Apeldoorn - Deventer
A2 Utrecht
A2 Geleen - Maastricht
A10 Amsterdam
A12 Utrecht
A12 Arnhem
A28 Wezep - Ommen (Zwolle throughway)
A28 Nieuwleusen - Zwolle
A28 Wezep - Zwolle-Centrum
A35 Hengelo - Wierden
A44 - A4 Leiden - Amsterdam
N11 Alphen aquaduct
N14 The Hague
N44 The Hague - Leiden
N50 Island bridge Kampen
N331 Hasselterweg Zwolle
N337 IJsselallee Zwolle (RING)
N764 mill bridge Kampen
Reconstructed Spoolderbergweg Zwolle
social housing suburb drive in Zwolle
Zwolle-Stadshagen suburban drive
Zwolle - Hattem drive incl. ancient bridge
Hattem - Wezep drive nature & wealth
Zwolle-Westenholte: lost in suburbia?

Number of lanes on Dutch motorways:


Reconstruction of the A2 near Den Bosch to 4x2 lanes:


Roads with traffic over 55,000 AADT


Widened A12 near Utrecht


Dutch driving:


Widest road in the Netherlands: A16 Ridderkerk.


Truckmania in the Netherlands (A28 picture)
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New thread

Please continue discussing there.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #1094
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The dutch driving pic over here is on the A2, near Abcoude.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #1095
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My city this afternoon:

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It took me 45 minutes to complete the 14km between Zwolle-South and Zwolle-North without getting on the freeway.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 10:32 AM   #1096
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It took me 45 minutes to complete the 14km between Zwolle-South and Zwolle-North without getting on the freeway.

wow.
that's nonsense...
How can you tolerate this?

(maybe the traffic situation in Budapest is not as wrong as it seems... )


(and what about the old topic?)
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Old April 10th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #1097
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Reconstruction of the A2 near Den Bosch to 4x2 lanes:

This is a very interesting project.

But I have questions about it:

- why are you widening this strech to 4x2 (with the inner 2x2 exclusively for transit traffic) instead of building a bypass route (a new alignment for the A2)for the transit traffic to push it away from the town?

here is a sketch (showing a proposed A2 and A59 bypass route):



what is your opinion about this bypass routes?
(advantages/disadvantages)

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we have the same dilemma at Budapest.

the situation is the following:

the souther sector of the M0 ringroad of BP (BLACK line) carries heavy transit traffic (this is the IV. helsinki corridor) and heavy local and commuting traffic too on a 2x2 expressway with no emergency lane.

so it is heavily congested and unsafe.

we will widen it to a 2x3+em.lane motorway soon.
it will increase the capacity and safety, but will not separate the transit and local traffic.
(the 4x2 option was never considered)

So we are arguing on what to do with the fast increasing transit traffic.

My opinion is that we should build a bypass only a little farther (RED line)
this is a relatively short (so relatively cheap) route and it could separate the transit and local traffic effectively on the M0 and would be benefical for the agglomeration too.

But - unfurtunately - there are no official plan for this bypass.

Instead of it there are plans for a more farther, more longer (and therefore more expensive) bypass. (GREEN line)
and it has a little flaw: it is not a real bypass, because it does not connect to the M1 at Győr. (the BLUE route is only a 2lane secondary road and there is no plan to upgrade it to a motorway.

So what is your opinion of this situation?

(sorry for being a little bit off topic... :-)

here is a sketch of the mentioned alignments:

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Old April 10th, 2008, 12:45 PM   #1098
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The route for Den Bosch bypass seems to be very well-planned. It could ease thru-city traffic and it does not collide with any urban development. I guess NIMBYs and costs might be the problem.

And the green bypass of Budapest, now that is totally ridiculous man! Bypass without connection to the motorway network? That's got to be a joke! I hope they won't make it happen!
I think that widening of the current M0 is still a good idea. You should take advantage of the fact that there is a lot of spare space for adding new lanes, so the costs won't be that high. Nevertheless, a 2x3 for local and 2x2 for thru-traffic combined would work better than plain 2x3
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The problem is, that transit traffic is only a marginal part of the total traffic volumes. That way, you can only solve problems by widening the existing road, building a new one creates unnecessary barriers, and a disintergration of the existing open landscapes.

In the Budapest case, i think there is quite a few transit traffic, but on the total volumes (don't know how busy the M0 is), it's usually only a small part. What about adding another bridge to the M0 crossing? Budapest is quite large, and has only one major bypass. That creates a large traffic flow.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 02:23 AM   #1100
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I was thinking to post all motorway and road plans in NL here but maybe it's an idea to create a new topic dedicated to future plans, construction and widening projects, this topic can then be used for info, pics and discussions about excisting roads and such.

tell me what you think
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