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Old August 11th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #11101
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They are the same in my opinion .
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Old August 11th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #11102
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They should have made the font size of the 400m marking a bit larger on the new sign. It looks like the 400m is even more unreadable on the new sign.
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Old August 11th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #11103
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Why the F would they want to change it again? How much money is being pissed away because of this?
I don't think they will replace signs at whim, instead, they will replace old signs with new designs when time comes to retrofit it. It is not like a mandatory sign (speed limit) for instance.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #11104
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Google shows a mysterious road over the sea near the Europoort (Rotterdam). It' impossible to see images of it. Does it really exists or is it a mistake? https://www.google.com/maps/dir/51.9...!1m1!4e1?hl=en
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Old August 13th, 2014, 10:14 PM   #11105
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It exists: http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=51.949...5&z=13&l=0&m=o.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #11106
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Yes, that is part of 'Maasvlakte 2', an extension of the Maasvlakte port area (literally; Meuse plains). A/N15 runs through 50 kilometers of hard core industrial areas.

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Old August 13th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #11107
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A friend had to travel there to deliver something, and received instructions NOT to follow the GPS
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Old August 14th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #11108
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I like the beach out there. Not as good as the old one (which had a nice dune area) but still good.
Driving the N15 at the weekend is a very relaxed trip with very light traffic on an excellent road.
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Old August 14th, 2014, 12:25 PM   #11109
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Google shows a mysterious road over the sea near the Europoort (Rotterdam). It' impossible to see images of it. Does it really exists or is it a mistake? https://www.google.com/maps/dir/51.9...!1m1!4e1?hl=en
As always with new land freshly claimed from the sea, it takes Google a while to catch up. We're used to it.
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Old August 14th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #11110
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A friend had to travel there to deliver something, and received instructions NOT to follow the GPS
The easiest way to find your way in the harbours is to know the harbour number of your adress. These numbers are consequently signed. And indeed: ignore your GPS.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 02:53 PM   #11111
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A9 Amsterdam

Project A9 Gaasperdammerweg Awarded to IXAS Zuid-Oost Consortium, Consisting of Ballast Nedam, Fluor, Heijmans and 3i Infrastructure


The Directorate-General for Public Works and Water Management of the Netherlands Rijkswaterstaat has awarded the A9 Gaasperdammerweg public-private-partnership (PPP) project to IXAS Zuid-Oost, a consortium consisting of Ballast Nedam, Fluor, Heijmans and 3i Infrastructure plc. The project includes the design, build, management, maintenance and financing of the existing and new infrastructure of the A9 motorway between Diemen and Holendrecht in the Netherlands.

The project has a total nominal value of approximately € 700 million, including a 20-year management and maintenance period after the new infrastructure becomes available. (...) The contract with Rijkswaterstaat will be signed in September 2014. The A9 Gaasperdammerweg project is the third section of the Schiphol-Amsterdam-Almere (SAA)road expansion.
Full report: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/proje...053000318.html

This is the most complex sub project of the SAA megaproject. It will feature local lanes, express lanes and reversible lanes, also a land tunnel whose layout is mandated by a railway overpass.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:58 PM   #11112
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A28 Zwolle - Meppel

Dense traffic, but no congestion anymore on A28 north of Zwolle.


A28 15-08-2014-1 por Chriszwolle, en Flickr


A28 15-08-2014-2 por Chriszwolle, en Flickr
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #11113
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Relaxed driving...
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #11114
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A 15 kilometer traffic jam was common before the widening of A28 on Friday afternoons. There is a lot of commuters plus recreational traffic on Friday afternoon, the highest daily traffic volume is around 100,000 on Fridays here. The IJssel River Bridge maxes out at around 140,000 on Fridays.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 01:55 AM   #11115
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Relaxed driving...
More relaxed than a traffic jam yes, but busy traffic personally REALLY annoys me.
Best traffic levels are when traffic is calm or at nighttime ( nearly non existent).

Have the habit of driving much less relaxed in busy traffic, but relax on cruise control in calm traffic .
Don't get me wrong, I can see how driving in a train of cars at a near constant speed can be relaxing for most people, but ideally, there is enough capacity for everyone to drive at the speed they want .


Nice pictures though, show that 2 seconds distance is impossible without congestion in the Netherlands, people simply drive closer distances at busy hours while maintaining a decent speed ( usually 90-100 km/h ish).
Stripes on a motorway are 3 meters, distance between stripes is 9 meters. From the picture you can see some people keep about 30 meters of distance between each other. Assuming 100 km/h, this is just over 1 second distance, not 2 seconds like they ''advise''. If people would keep ''2 seconds'' of distance, no decent speeds would be possible in such traffic.

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Old August 16th, 2014, 02:36 AM   #11116
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I don't think any country drivers respect 2 second distance when the road level of service gets into that "C, D, E" levels like that, 1s or even 0.75s is pretty normal.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 10:04 AM   #11117
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The Dutch tend to drive close to each other, even on roads with a high level of service, and when people are driving the speed limit or more.

I once had an accident in southern France due to not keeping sufficient distance (my fault, had my license for just a few months, inexperienced) and now I keep more distance than most others.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 10:11 AM   #11118
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A15 Europoort

A15 at night:


IMG_35071.jpg por Mark van der Meer, en Flickr


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Old August 16th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #11119
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The Dutch tend to drive close to each other, even on roads with a high level of service, and when people are driving the speed limit or more.

I once had an accident in southern France due to not keeping sufficient distance (my fault, had my license for just a few months, inexperienced) and now I keep more distance than most others.
True. But the traffic in NL is rather coherent and calm and thus predictable. Funny is that when I think about the two second rule and increase the distance, the people behind me have to break as well as there is almost always someone.

In Germany you get generally bigger distances, but on stretches it can get very tight and packed with much less predictability.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #11120
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The only thing that gets to me in the Netherlands is that they constantly change lanes without looking in the mirror.
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