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Old September 16th, 2014, 08:49 PM   #11261
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What is also annoying is the expected increased ''fuel duty'' income.

Of course people are going to fuel up abroad more often and from further inland, if you increase fuel duty.
Mr. Eric Wiebes is a complete moron, for believing that this doesn't have a significant impact, now he has to do with 364 million euros less than expected .

iirc. diesel used to be cheaper in NL than in DE, so Germans would fill up their diesel cars here ( while the Dutch petrol drivers went to DE), now diesel is cheaper in DE than in NL afaik. So Germans would rather fuel up in their own country than fuel up here if they happen to pass through.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #11262
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6.2, that's still more than we spend on defense.
Negative, it's still a billion less than the military. This gap should be larger if you ask me (recent events show that a military is far from irrelevant), but that's a bit off-topic.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 11:46 PM   #11263
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Highway spending is about 0.3% of GDP, which is quite low, though we can't really complain about the lack of investment, a lot has been done in the past 6 years. Let's just hope the funding will increase after 2015. There are quite a number of projects which were postponed until after 2018.

The Dutch road model allows a concentrated spending on a relatively small network (<3000 km). For example in countries like Germany or Denmark, they need to maintain and improve a far larger road network at the national government level. Even though Dutch highway spending is only 0.3% of GDP, the amount of money per kilometer of national road is several times higher than in those countries.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:07 AM   #11264
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Highway spending is about 0.3% of GDP, which is quite low, though we can't really complain about the lack of investment, a lot has been done in the past 6 years. Let's just hope the funding will increase after 2015. There are quite a number of projects which were postponed until after 2018.

The Dutch road model allows a concentrated spending on a relatively small network (<3000 km). For example in countries like Germany or Denmark, they need to maintain and improve a far larger road network at the national government level. Even though Dutch highway spending is only 0.3% of GDP, the amount of money per kilometer of national road is several times higher than in those countries.
As far as Denmark is concerned correct. In 2012 (last year i can find the numbers) 1 bn Euro was spent on a national network of 3791 km of roads (approx. 1/3 on maintenance and 2/3 on construction), which means less than 40 % of the Dutch level measured in Euro/km. The total amount of 1 bn Euro spent on the national road network amounts to 0,38 % of GDP.

However it has to be taken into consideration that a motorway with bridges and overpasses/tunnels, and especially the wider it is, is far more costly to maintain than an ordinary 1+1 road. In the Netherlands more than 50 % of the network is motorway (and a relatively high proportion with 6 or more lanes), whereas only approx 1/3 of the Danish national network is motorways, and only a relatively few km with 6 or more lanes.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:23 AM   #11265
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The Netherlands is fairly unique in that approximately 50% of all kilometers driven are just on 2.5% of the road network. Which leads to very intense traffic on that road network, but it also allows efficient spending.

The Netherlands doesn't really have a large secondary road network like the Bundesstrasse in Germany or the primærrute in Denmark. Most provincial roads are just feeders to the motorway system, the number of 40+ km trips on provincial roads is low.

In Germany, the federal government funds not only the 12,500 km of Autobahn, but also some 40,000 kilometers of Bundesstrasse. In the Netherlands, this is only 2,500 km of motorway and some 500 km of other 'rijksweg'.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:17 PM   #11266
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Negative, it's still a billion less than the military. This gap should be larger if you ask me (recent events show that a military is far from irrelevant), but that's a bit off-topic.
Defense spending officially counts for some 7 billion, but there's a trick in the budget that makes our percentage-of-GDP spending look bigger than it really is.

Most countries pay for retired soldiers and soldiers on various types of (disability) leave through the budget of the Ministry of Social Affairs (or equivalents). We don't. We pay for it through the Ministry of Defense budget. That figure comes down to 1.2 billion so we tell everyone we're spending 7 billion on defense but the real figure is more like 5.8.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 01:10 PM   #11267
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The Netherlands is fairly unique in that approximately 50% of all kilometers driven are just on 2.5% of the road network. Which leads to very intense traffic on that road network, but it also allows efficient spending.

The Netherlands doesn't really have a large secondary road network like the Bundesstrasse in Germany or the primærrute in Denmark. Most provincial roads are just feeders to the motorway system, the number of 40+ km trips on provincial roads is low.

In Germany, the federal government funds not only the 12,500 km of Autobahn, but also some 40,000 kilometers of Bundesstrasse. In the Netherlands, this is only 2,500 km of motorway and some 500 km of other 'rijksweg'.
Yes - The Netherlands is the "extreme" case in that sense. In Denmark approx. 35 % of all kilometers are driven on 1,6% of the network (motorways) and approx. 50 % on 5 % of the network (national/state network)
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Old September 17th, 2014, 04:52 PM   #11268
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N31, Leeuwarden

A 2.5 km segment of twinned N31 opened to traffic on 16 September 2014. It runs from the new Werpsterhoek interchange to the Drachtsterweg exit on the south side of Leeuwarden. It is the first segment of the four-lane Leeuwarden bypass project that opens to traffic in final configuration. It is still planned to open the remainder of the bypass by December.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 05:34 PM   #11269
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A15, Botlek Bridge, Rotterdam

A video of the first bridge deck of the Botlek Bridge being shipped into position.

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Old September 17th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #11270
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How many tons does it weigh?

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Secondary question: what is the structural integrity status of the long Zeeland bridges? Are they good to go for decades ahead, or is some of them requiring substitution/heavy renovation sooner than 2030?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #11271
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N33 Assen - Eemshaven

N33 is a 72 kilometer long 'rijksweg' in Drenthe and Groningen provinces. It runs from A28 at Assen to the port of Eemshaven, which is pretty much the northernmost area of mainland Netherlands. Nearly all of N33 is a 100 km/h road with autoweg status. The southern half has recently been upgraded to a four-lane divided highway.


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Old September 17th, 2014, 07:05 PM   #11272
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How many tons does it weigh?

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Secondary question: what is the structural integrity status of the long Zeeland bridges? Are they good to go for decades ahead, or is some of them requiring substitution/heavy renovation sooner than 2030?
In 2013, the provincial government ordered a study of the structural integrity of the part that opens for ships that was published here.

According to the study, the moving parts will need to be replaced in their entirety in 2019, which the provincial government is now planning to do.

I don't know about the rest of it though...
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #11273
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N33 Assen - Noordbroek

A video of the twinned N33. It's a great road to drive, free-flow traffic at all times. On the old single carriageway N33 you were stuck behind a truck 90% of the time.

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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #11274
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Looks good. What are the chances of it ever being upgraded to a motorway?
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A4, Steenbergen

The A4 around Steenbergen is the first motorway in the Netherlands which gets 'droplet road markings'. They've been using this in Poland for years, but so far it hasn't been implemented in the Netherlands beyond a few test locations.

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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #11276
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What are the advantages?

Maybe do they make the vehicle vibrate when crossed?
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They vibrate and provide better visibility at night.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #11278
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I guess it also drains away rain to make the lines less slippery.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 07:58 PM   #11279
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Wouldn't they wear out faster and thus be less visible than solid lines sooner ?

Just speculating, I don't know
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Old September 19th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #11280
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Aerial drone view of the construction of the Muiden aqueduct, part of the SAA-project (Schiphol - Amsterdam - Almere). For more info on this project click here and here
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