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Old October 10th, 2014, 03:44 AM   #11421
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It is only dangerous if the traffic volumes are very high in the main axis or high in the cross axis...
N65 carries between 35k and 50k vehicles per day. That qualifies as pretty busy
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Old October 10th, 2014, 03:54 AM   #11422
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Does this really count as dangerous design? It's clearly far safer than a single-carriageway 1x2 road for example, you have the space to wait between carriageways, etc. It is only dangerous if the traffic volumes are very high in the main axis or high in the cross axis...
N65 has very high traffic by all accounts. You don't ever get a long empty road to cross, it is always sketchy if you want to accelerate and cross. Also, the central reservation space is narrow, it barely fits a sedan at 90-degree and it is kinda scary with trucks coming onto the lane you want to join.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #11423
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N65 should've been a motorway. It is a major link between two large (100.000+) cities. However, there are currently no plans whatsoever to improve N65 outside Vught. It isn't on any priority list.

This type of road (four-lane divided, at-grade, non-urban) is pretty rare in the Netherlands. Nearby N261 is being converted into a 100 km/h expressway with interchanges. In the west, most of N11 is now also converted to free-flow.

In Flevoland, the N302 is one of the best examples of a four-lane divided highway. It links Lelystad and Harderwijk. Another such road is under construction, by twinning the N305. But both roads do not have driveway access or slow traffic on it. All intersecting traffic is controlled through ramps or traffic signals.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #11424
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Oosterhout signage

Oosterhout is one of the few municipalities to have installed experimental signage that is not complying to regular signage guidelines in the Netherlands.

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Old October 10th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #11425
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Some Swedish influences...
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Old October 10th, 2014, 05:53 PM   #11426
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Finland and Norway both do the same thing - dashing the shield to denote a route leading to a road.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #11427
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I find that more confusing as you need to scan with your eyes a much larger area when approaching to intersection. There are also much more elements to analyse.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #11428
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Finland and Norway both do the same thing - dashing the shield to denote a route leading to a road.
Estonia as well, but it's all Swedish influences I reckon...
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Old October 10th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #11429
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I find that more confusing as you need to scan with your eyes a much larger area when approaching to intersection. There are also much more elements to analyse.
Correct observation. That's why these 'stacking signs' were removed from the Dutch guidelines a long time ago.

I also feel this way with French signage in urban areas. There's just too much. The upside is that you can ignore all the white destinations along motorways in France if you know you don't have to exit for a while.


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Old October 10th, 2014, 08:55 PM   #11430
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The upside is that you can ignore all the white destinations along motorways in France if you know you don't have to exit for a while.
True, that is why I like Yugoslavian system of colours (used in all successor countries) that you can always differentiate road types on junctions.

There sould be just so much information as it is absolutely necessary not more.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #11431
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There is much to be criticized about Italian signaling, but something Italy's got right is to provide clear indications of the "way out" to the nearest highway, visible for drivers.


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I like the use of a very visible indication of direction to go to the highway, because the situation where one is most likely in need of a road sign is when someone is in an unfamiliar place, and needs to get out of a city/town. You are in town, you see a green sign, you know where to go.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #11432
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That's in Germany, England and France and loads of other countries exactly the same.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 03:52 PM   #11433
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Old October 12th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #11434
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N31 Leeuwarden

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Old October 13th, 2014, 12:04 PM   #11435
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I love those 2x2 N-roads. They tend to be more relaxing (less crowded) than motorways.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 02:00 PM   #11436
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I'm surprised those place names are in Dutch only rather than Frisian as well. I thought Frisian was now a, if not the, official language in Friesland?
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Old October 13th, 2014, 02:56 PM   #11437
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Some really great pictures of the huge new Botlekbridge in the A15 highway which is progressing very well by Marin. The difference in size with the old bridge is really big.

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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #11438
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I'm surprised those place names are in Dutch only rather than Frisian as well. I thought Frisian was now a, if not the, official language in Friesland?
Both Dutch and Frisian are "official" languages. (There are no official languages are listed, but everybody has the right to use Frisian or Dutch when contacting governmental organizations in Friesland).
Municipalities in Friesland may choose to name their cities and streets
- Dutch only
- Frisian only
- Both, Dutch first
- Both, Frisian first

In the first and third option, the Dutch name will be signed on the roads, in the second and forth option, the Frisian name, although recent changes may require some time before seen on signage.

The big Frisian cities (Leeuwarden, Heerenveen, Drachten, Harlingen) all choose for Dutch names, and Leeuwarden, Heerenveen and Harlingen have a Frisian name as well.
The choise for Dutch names is mostly due to a fear that people won't recognize Ljouwert, It Hearrenfean, or Harns.
There are quite some Frisian named towns in Friesland, but they are smaller in general and therefore not found on national highway signage (except exits of course).
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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #11439
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Frisian is most prominently spoken on the countryside, in the larger towns and Leeuwarden, Frisian is less prominent (though still spoken). Practically all Frisian people are fluent in Dutch as well, although young children sometimes get limited exposure to Dutch on the countryside.

There is no serious push for secession or something. There is a Frisian National Party which gets quite a bit of votes, but they don't (openly) advocate for independence.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #11440
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The N31 twinning seems like a solid project, although I find the new connection Werpsterhoek interchange - Leeuwarden via Goutum horrible when you're coming from the A32. It feels like it takes you almost 5 minutes longer to get to the city. Speed limit could easily be adjusted to 70 instead of 50.
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