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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:48 PM   #11441
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The future route to western and central Leeuwarden follows N31 and then the Westelijke Invalsweg (western access road). The Overijsselselaan is supposed to be a secondary route, even though it will carry quite some traffic.

Leeuwarden will get three (in fact four) major access roads; Westelijke Invalsweg, Overijsselselaan and Drachtsterweg.

I agree though, that Overijsselselaan should have a 70 km/h speed limit.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #11442
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Okay that explains a lot. When will the Westerse invalsweg be ready?
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Old October 15th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #11443
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Road authority Rijkswaterstaat will begin implementing speed limit signs on every 1 km hectometer pole along motorways this week. By December, 5,000 of such signs costing € 2.3 million will be posted along every motorway. They will be installed at both sides of the carriageway if there are three or more lanes in each direction.

Provinces have been doing this already for several years.

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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:30 AM   #11444
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A bad solution (illegible signs) to a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place (confusion about maximum speeds).
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:31 AM   #11445
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N62 Tractaatweg, Zeeland

The Council of State has dismissed all appeals against the twinning of N62 'Tractaatweg' to a four-lane, divided, controlled-access highway between Terneuzen and the Belgian border.
This means construction can proceed as planned.

The new expressway will feature 3 interchanges and feed directly into the under construction Sluiskil Tunnel.
Construction is also going on to twin N62 between the Westerschelde Tunnel and A58, which means that by 2017, there will be a continuous 2x2, controlled-access expressway from A58 to the Belgian border.

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Old October 15th, 2014, 12:18 PM   #11446
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Is it a viable alternative for Rotterdam-Belgium traffic (say below congested Antwerps?).

In that line, is there any chance we will see a full 2*2 controlled-access expressway in Zeeland from Rotterdam to the border in the future?
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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:27 PM   #11447
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No and no.

These projects were never meant for a Rotterdam-Antwerp connection, that would make zero sense anyway now that the A4 South is being finished up.

These projects (paid for by the Province of Zeeland, mind) serve two functions:
1) to improve the connections between the main towns of Zeeland, and
2) to improve the connections between the ports of Zeeland (Vlissingen, Terneuzen) and the ports of Flanders (Ghent, Antwerp).

Rotterdam doesn't really come into it.

The Province of Zeeland has been investing significant amounts in Zeeuws-Vlaanderen to improve the internal connections between the 5 main towns which can be thought of as lying in a + pattern:

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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #11448
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It's a bit of a pity that N61 wasn't fully upgraded to expressway standards. It's mostly a two-lane road with median divider and some passing lanes near roundabouts, and it features no grade-separation.

They said that 'interchanges are horizon pollution in the Zeeuws-Vlaanderen landscape'.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #11449
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Yeah, rural West Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is not terribly high on the agenda. They lost the car ferry to Vlissingen and gained a so-so road to Terneuzen and the tunnel in return. Not a great deal, it's a long way around.

But the province seems hell-bend on preserving its rural nature for the huge number of tourists it continues to attract. There's a lot of sense in that, but I feel like sometimes the balance goes missing.

As for connections to Rotterdam; the Delta works are not in favor of such large scale upgrades. Not only would it cost hundreds of millions to upgrade the various dams in the West (N57), it's arguably a bad idea to severely increase (heavy) traffic flows (and its vibrations) on vital coastal defenses. There also isn't that much demand for more North-South connections in that part of the country anyway. The port of Antwerp lies directly South of Rotterdam's city center and the A4 is the ideal route. Going from Rotterdam to Antwerp via Zeeland is actually a bigger curve than going via Breda.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #11450
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Road authority Rijkswaterstaat will begin implementing speed limit signs on every 1 km hectometer pole along motorways this week. By December, 5,000 of such signs costing € 2.3 million will be posted along every motorway. They will be installed at both sides of the carriageway if there are three or more lanes in each direction.

Provinces have been doing this already for several years.

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A bad solution (illegible signs) to a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place (confusion about maximum speeds).
I was about to ask what the need for that is...is there really that much variation that people wouldn't be sure?
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Old October 15th, 2014, 03:03 PM   #11451
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Speeding fines are very high, you can see a clear trend in recent years that people are taking it safe and rather drive below the speed limit than getting a ticket.

The fines are quite high for minimal offenses (like driving 10 km/h over the limit) and practically all fines are done by automatic speed camera, not some officer patrolling the roads, where you could get away with a warning or not even get pulled over. It is said some 90% of speeding fines are for only going up to 10 km/h over the limit.

A2 is notorious, because it partially has a 24/7 100 km/h speed limit, but partially also 100 during the day and 130 during the night. However, if you make a mistake, going 30 km/h too fast means a fine of € 270 even if the road doesn't change at all.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 03:07 PM   #11452
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I was about to ask what the need for that is...is there really that much variation that people wouldn't be sure?
Well.. yes.



I believe this picture is from 2012, so there have been some changes already. But as you can see there are plenty of "changing" speed limits (in blue). And in some places when there are extra (narrower) lanes in operation during rush hour the speed will go down to there, but those aren't displayed on the map I think.
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Gosh.

If they want to do it right, they should put little electronic, variable speed limit panels on the top of the kilometer-posts!
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Old October 15th, 2014, 03:23 PM   #11454
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Of course if I had my way it would be 130km/h everywhere save for some tight curves and tricky interchanges. My policy would be: "130km/h unless there's a bigass sign telling you to go slower" and certainly signs along the lines of "120km/h 6 - 19h" would be completely outlawed. Ridiculous nonsense.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #11455
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You can thank the CDA for that. They didn't want to spend a small amount of money so that much more stretches could be 130 km/h. I believe it was in the order of € 20 million for mitigating measures.
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Makes sense, they're always diluting ideas. Like their latest star suggestion of introducing a single income tax rate, but with two exceptions. So it's actually a 3 level tax rate, which is basically what we have now.
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The current speed limits in the Netherlands.




It does not take into account;

* shoulder running speed limit
* local point speed limit (short stretches near bridges, sluices or interchanges).
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Old October 15th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #11458
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Futuristic map that is, with an opened A4 past Steenbergen
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I believe the A4 is 130 (24/7) from Burgerveen to De Hoek.
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I believe the A4 is 130 (24/7) from Burgerveen to De Hoek.
Correct.
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