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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #11761
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A4 Steenbergen

A4 around Steenbergen (Dinteloord - Klutsdorp) opened to traffic as planned at 6:00 a.m. this morning. It is 13 kilometers of new 2x2 motorway with a 120 km/h speed limit. (the media reports 19 km but that includes parts of A4 which opened several years ago). The cost was € 275 million.

The 'aquaduct Steenbergen aan zee' (sic).
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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:17 PM   #11762
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Optimistic name. Or pessimistic?

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A) I wouldn't say it like that.
B) I can't read other people's minds.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:24 PM   #11763
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A4 around Steenbergen (Dinteloord - Klutsdorp) opened to traffic as planned at 6:00 a.m. this morning. It is 13 kilometers of new 2x2 motorway with a 120 km/h speed limit. (the media reports 19 km but that includes parts of A4 which opened several years ago). The cost was € 275 million.

The 'aquaduct Steenbergen aan zee' (sic).
Finally this section is now open. Only two sections of the A4 to go. Late next year the desperately necessary A4-MD between Delft and Schiedam (connecting with the Rotterdam Ring of Highways) will open.

The only missing part of the A4 (Rotterdam-Hooglviet to Klaaswaal) is still not officially planned yet.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:58 PM   #11764
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You could always get a 4x4 and just drive through the fields there. Out of sheer frustration.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #11765
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Optimistic name. Or pessimistic?



A) I wouldn't say it like that.
B) I can't read other people's minds.
How would you say it?
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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:04 PM   #11766
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You could always get a 4x4 and just drive through the fields there. Out of sheer frustration.
Well, be sure then that car is waterproof or is able to float since you have to cross two rivers between Rotterdam-Hoogvliet and Klaaswaal.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #11767
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How would you say it?
Please do feel free to give your usual passive-aggressive bs a short vacation this week.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #11768
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The only missing part of the A4 (Rotterdam-Hooglviet to Klaaswaal) is still not officially planned yet.
Yep, very unfortunate, Spijkenisse is a **** to get to, and Oud-Beijerland could use some improvement reachability wise too.

This would loosen the traffic on the eastern parts of Rotterdam by a lot, as there'd be one through route from The Hague to Antwerpen, rather than the current A13>A20>A16 mess which clogs up the entire area.

Just one fart on any of those 3, and pretty much whole R'dam is a gridlock.

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It depends on what type of cop I'm dealing with, I usually just answer all the questions, as it usually gets me out of a ticket ( I'm often stopped for speeding). I'm mr. innocent ''cute'' small little guy and very apologetic. Being polite works on most cops.

However, the moment cops start ''looking'' for stuff to fine, or being a general ass/jerk, I often respond annoyed to their questions and tell them that it is none of their business and I am free to be on a public road as I please. The moment they push it ( I've had some threaten me ''stop doing that or I'll find thousands in fines for fine you''), I start filming them, or tell them it's on camera ( dashcam).
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #11769
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I though keokiracer was going to cycle the whole sector before it opened and post a video. He wrote he'd do that before opening.

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Yep, very unfortunate, Spijkenisse is a **** to get to, and Oud-Beijerland could use some improvement reachability wise too.

This would loosen the traffic on the eastern parts of Rotterdam by a lot, as there'd be one through route from The Hague to Antwerpen, rather than the current A13>A20>A16 mess which clogs up the entire area.

Just one fart on any of those 3, and pretty much whole R'dam is a gridlock.
Something I don't understand is this: why don't they build a drawbridge/tunnel between Nieuw-Beijerland and Spikenisse?

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Well, be sure then that car is waterproof or is able to float since you have to cross two rivers between Rotterdam-Hoogvliet and Klaaswaal.
Problem solved

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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #11770
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Is that 'aquaduct Steenbergen aan zee' extendable to 3 lanes?
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #11771
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I can't remember ever saying that Subi.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #11772
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Please do feel free to give your usual passive-aggressive bs a short vacation this week.
What do you mean?

I would rather like to know how would you tell the police that it is your business what you are doing there where they stopped you. I seriously doubt that it can be easily done. But if there is some special phrase I could use in such a situation when stopped by the Dutch police I would like to know it.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 08:08 PM   #11773
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Eindhoven region

The chances for the construction of a new 80 km/h expressway around Eindhoven / Helmond, the so-called 'square around Eindhoven', seems to be getting slimmer. The region wants to widen A2 (Weert - Eindhoven) and A67 (Eindhoven - Venlo) instead.

The original plan was to build a 80 km/h slowspeed expressway (controlled-access though) from A50 at Ekkersrijt (north of Eindhoven) to N279 near Beek en Donk, and then twin the existing N279 to a four-lane expressway, also with an 80 km/h speed limit. It would be partially funded through the national government.

Right now it seems that 74 MPs are in favor of widening the A67 and 69 in favor of building the 'square'. The remaining 7 MPs are split off their previous parties and will make or break the 'square'. Transportation minister Schultz already indicated she will go with whatever parliament decides.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 08:44 PM   #11774
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What do you mean?

I would rather like to know how would you tell the police that it is your business what you are doing there where they stopped you. I seriously doubt that it can be easily done. But if there is some special phrase I could use in such a situation when stopped by the Dutch police I would like to know it.
Most cops are decent chaps, the stuff I've gotten away with by simply apologising is mind boggling, I've not been handed a single fine for speeding by a cop despite being caught by cops once in a while. ( only a speed camera once, grrr, cash machine caught me doing a whopping 56 km/h @ 50 km/h ) so I simply reply to all their questions like they want.

But if he starts writing a fine ( usually the older farts), or start looking for stuff to fine, then when they ask me stuff:
''Hoezo wilt u dat weten'', ''ik voel mij niet verplicht om hier antwoord op te geven'' and in case of fines: ''ik ga niet meewerken aan mijn eigen veroordeling'', ''geen verklaring''. As anything I say works against me in front the the judge when I appeal the case ( I always combat every single fine, and sometimes win ).
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The chances for the construction of a new 80 km/h expressway around Eindhoven / Helmond, the so-called 'square around Eindhoven', seems to be getting slimmer. The region wants to widen A2 (Weert - Eindhoven) and A67 (Eindhoven - Venlo) instead.

The original plan was to build a 80 km/h slowspeed expressway (controlled-access though) from A50 at Ekkersrijt (north of Eindhoven) to N279 near Beek en Donk, and then twin the existing N279 to a four-lane expressway, also with an 80 km/h speed limit. It would be partially funded through the national government.

Right now it seems that 74 MPs are in favor of widening the A67 and 69 in favor of building the 'square'. The remaining 7 MPs are split off their previous parties and will make or break the 'square'. Transportation minister Schultz already indicated she will go with whatever parliament decides.
I still hope the Ruit Eindhoven wins, but unfortunately I don't see it happening .
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Old November 24th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #11775
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The "Ruit" would gave more redundancies in handling the traffic. Overall that would be the better solution. But with the doubting politicians another widening of the A2 and A67 might have the better chances now. But I would not be in favor for that.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #11776
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The "Ruit" would gave more redundancies in handling the traffic. Overall that would be the better solution.
It would make the network more robust, but they absolutely don't want through traffic on the northeastern quadrant of the 'square', so I don't think this project should receive national funding if they don't want it to serve national interests at all cost.

The whole project has been downgraded, first the Veghel - Helmond leg was scrapped (planned as 2x2, 100 km/h) then they decided to build 's-Hertogenbosch - Veghel (separate project) with 80 km/h only and now they also want to build the actual 'square' with only 80 km/h as well.

That's almost € 900 million to build a motorway-like road with the speed limit of any other provincial road.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 10:41 PM   #11777
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Postpone this project, and invest the €€ on making N65 into A65 between Vught and Tilburg!
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Old November 24th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #11778
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They misspelled 'Dinteloord' on one of the signs at Steenbergen exit of A4.

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Old November 25th, 2014, 10:57 AM   #11779
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That sign is pretty high up there... Maybe we should just change the town's name?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #11780
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How much does a sign like this cost, roughly (just the sign and the associated pole)
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