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Old November 25th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #11781
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N31/N32 Werpsterhoek Interchange

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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #11782
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Western Noord-Brabant province has quite a dense motorway network now

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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #11783
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Is it going to stay A58 south of Bergen.O.Z or will they rename it A4 eventually?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:29 PM   #11784
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If they would just build the last part we could rename the whole thing and be done with this whole mess
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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #11785
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I wonder if A59 between k. Sabina and k. Noordhoek will lose a lot of traffic with this new opening.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 07:30 PM   #11786
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Is it going to stay A58 south of Bergen.O.Z or will they rename it A4 eventually?
That part is already A4. It's both numbered A4 and A58 between the Zoomland interchange and the Markiezaat interchange (here)
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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #11787
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Western Noord-Brabant province has quite a dense motorway network now
Still missing that finished A59 round the south of Zevenbergen, but I think that's in the not-worth-bothering-with-even-if-you-want-motorways-all-over-the-place category!
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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #11788
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Are they going to push the A4 number north of the N59 junction (isn't that were it currently ends, becoming A29?)?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #11789
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The A4 is already double-numbered with the A29 since a few years.


It's a bit of a number mess there. Is it correct that the A4 north of the Sabina interchange has three road numbers (A4, A29, A59)?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #11790
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The A4 is already double-numbered with the A29 since a few years.
Nope - the A29 south of KP Sabina was renumbered A4 October last year. No double-numbering, just renumbering (as can be seen on the July 2014 Streetview imagery)

I thought there was a weird junction where the A4, A29 and A59 ended, but that was me misremembering that I thought that when I didn't realise the A29 and A59 were double-numbered until KP Hellegatsplein.
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It's a bit of a number mess there. Is it correct that the A4 north of the Sabina interchange has three road numbers (A4, A29, A59)?
No - it's A29-A59, unless they've renumbered since the summer (in which case, why not truncate the A29 further?)
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Old November 25th, 2014, 09:05 PM   #11791
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No - it's A29-A59, unless they've renumbered since the summer (in which case, why not truncate the A29 further?)
No, it's currently still A29/A59 between the Hellegatsplein and Sabina interchanges. North of that it's A29, west and east it's A59 and south it's A4 (used to be A29)
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Old November 26th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #11792
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How much does a sign like this cost, roughly (just the sign and the associated pole)
Should not be more than roughly k€ 6-8 (ex VAT)
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Old November 26th, 2014, 12:57 AM   #11793
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I would rather like to know how would you tell the police that it is your business what you are doing there where they stopped you. I seriously doubt that it can be easily done. But if there is some special phrase I could use in such a situation when stopped by the Dutch police I would like to know it.
I've done it before to non-Dutch police even when they were relatively polite... "that's none of your business" for example. If you get one who has "attitude", for sure, it won't help it, but you know, if you told him anything else, he'd still have the attitude. In such case (aggressive officer), it is important to refuse such questions as you must prove your ***** bigger than his
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Old November 26th, 2014, 12:13 PM   #11794
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Rotterdam - Antwerpen; A4 vs A16.

A16 is 6 km shorter and 4 minutes faster.



Both routes have cons and pros;

* A29 has two movable bridges (Haringvliet Bridge & Volkerak Locks)
* A16 has more 100 km/h, but also more 130 km/h sections
* A16 is six lanes almost to the Belgian border
* E19 is prone to heavy truck traffic
* E19 has more congestion close to Antwerp than Belgian A12.

I think A4 gives a more reliable trip during rush hour, but A16-E19 is more 'straight' (the A4 route has 3 TOTSOs). A16 near Dordrecht and E19 in Belgium is more prone to congestion than A29-A4.

However if you drive during the weekend and want a relaxed trip with higher speed limits, A16-E19 is probably better.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 02:17 PM   #11795
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And this is only true if you need to go to the east of Rotterdam or to Gouda.
If you want to go to the port of Rotterdam or Schiedam, you better follow the A4.
It would be nice to see the effects of all the new roads when the A4 Midden Delfland is finished. That would make the A4 more attractive, because you have less TOTSO's between Den Haag en Antwerpen.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 02:40 PM   #11796
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A4 has a number of potential bottlenecks;

* The Zoomland interchange (only 1 through lane for A4)
* The Volkerak Locks (movable bridge)
* The Haringvliet Bridge (movable bridge)
* The Heinenoord Tunnel (lack of spare capacity)
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Old November 26th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #11797
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No, it's currently still A29/A59 between the Hellegatsplein and Sabina interchanges. North of that it's A29, west and east it's A59 and south it's A4 (used to be A29)
I though the A4 was extended to Klaaswaal? So the stretch between Hellegatsplein and Sabina must have three numbers then.

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* The Heinenoord Tunnel (lack of spare capacity)
The Heinenoordtunnel has 3 lanes in each direction and 85.000 vehicles each day. The Kennedytunnel in Antwerp also has 3 lanes in each directions but handles 130.000 vehicles each day.

So you'd think the Heinenoordtunnel has some spare capacity left.

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Old November 26th, 2014, 03:02 PM   #11798
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I though the A4 was extended to Klaaswaal? So the stretch between Hellegatsplein and Sabina must have three numbers then.
Nope. Administratively it has always been 'Rijksweg 4' but it's numbered A29. And that always has been the case anf that has not changed
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Old November 26th, 2014, 03:02 PM   #11799
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So you mean it's officially the A4 but not indicated on the roadsigns (yet)?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #11800
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So you mean it's officially the A4 but not indicated on the roadsigns (yet)?
It is Rijksweg 4, which is purely administrative. It is signposted as A29 and will be. This will not change in the near future (and I'm afraid it's not gonna be changed in the not-so-near future either)
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