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Old December 11th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #11841
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In general, what could be the most spectacular firework show in the Randstad?
The one in Rotterdam. We don't really have any other ones. People get their own fireworks. I hate it but that's the way it is.

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Say what? First time I hear of this.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 01:33 AM   #11842
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Welcome to the Dutch Highways and Fireworks thread.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #11843
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It's Suburbanist's fault, as usual

From Dutch people I heard stories about people blowing up themselves on New Year's Eve, confirms my idea that this place is a Naples only apparently more civilized

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Say what? First time I hear of this.
There we go, with this majestic presentation:
http://www.denhaag.nl/en/residents/t...-Hofvijver.htm

I think I'll get to Rotterdam, with friends.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #11844
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Old December 12th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #11845
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A1 Apeldoorn - Hengelo

A notice to start procedures for the widening of A1 between Apeldoorn and Hengelo has been published. It describes the proposed project and which aspects need assessment. It is a standard step for this kind of road project.

The plan is to widen A1 across 52 kilometers with one lane in each direction. The left shoulder running between the Beekbergen interchange (A50) and Deventer-Oost exit will become regular lanes, so this section will feature 2x4 lanes. There will be 2x3 lanes all the way to the Azelo interchange (A35) south of Almelo.

A1 is a crucial corridor with very high truck counts, over 20,000 trucks per day between Apeldoorn and Deventer. Studies have shown the right lane becomes underused if truck volumes exceed 750 trucks per hour per direction. Over 1,000 trucks per hour, merging and exiting becomes difficult and even dangerous. The truck counts will go up to 1,100 trucks per hour per lane. The plan is to scrap the truck passing ban once the new lanes are in operation. This will reduce the endless convoys of trucks on the right lane.

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Old December 12th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #11846
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From Dutch people I heard stories about people blowing up themselves on New Year's Eve, confirms my idea that this place is a Naples only apparently more civilized
This explains why I felt so at home in Naples.

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There we go, with this majestic presentation:
http://www.denhaag.nl/en/residents/t...-Hofvijver.htm
Wow that sounds dreadful.

The Hague has a big fireworks show in the summer at the beach. That's not very useful for you right now but I thought I'd mention it for future reference.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #11847
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I have a question you might help me with. Friends will come over at the end of this month. They want to see a massive firework setting, so I'm planning on taking them to somewhere near the Erasmusbrug in Rotterdam. I'm finding conflicting information about parking on the area. Apparently many parking garages will be closed until midday Jan 1st. I don't want to risk park the car on streets (vandalism, rogue fireworks etc). Does anyone know a particular place that might be a safe alternative to park the car? I was thinking of the Erasmus hospital complex, but couldn't find any online info on whether their parking garages will stay open as usual throughout the night. Public transportation is not an option since there is none after 20.00 till 8.00 the following day.
Perhaps the Schiecentrale Q-park? Its in a commercial/office/residential building. About 2km walk to Erasmus bridge.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #11848
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N31/N32 Werpsterhoek Interchange

Some photos around the Werpsterhoek Interchange near Leeuwarden. It will open to traffic on 18 December. There was an open day today.


Knooppunt Werpsterhoek-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr


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Old December 13th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #11849
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So consistent! The same signs, horizontal painting, city direction signs, so clean compare to Belgium :P I miss this Dutch organization :]
Hope to drive to Groningen via Zurich next spring to see it.
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N31 Haak om Leeuwarden

Panorama at the 'Westelijke Invalsweg' interchange.


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Old December 16th, 2014, 05:18 PM   #11851
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Air quality

Air quality in the Netherlands improved for the fifth year in a row, since the 'national cooperation-programme air quality' commenced.

There are no places in the Netherlands which exceed the limits for particles (pm10). There is 9 km of road in the Netherlands where limits for nitrogen (NOx) are exceeded, chiefly in inner city areas of Rotterdam and Amsterdam. Air quality along motorways (with their very high volumes of traffic, but also better traffic flow) is satisfactory at every location, though some locations remain relatively close to the limits.

Although the 'air quality craze' has mainly centered on particles (pm10), the actual problem is more in the nitrogon (NOx) area, because road traffic is responsible for a much larger share of it than with particles, which is mostly background concentration. For that reason, they will work out plans to discourage new diesel cars. The Netherlands already has some of the highest taxes on diesel car ownership in the world.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #11852
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A general thought on this topic: talking about air quality and emissions, NL (at least close to the coast) has the giant advantage of wind. It's surprising how you seldomly smell exausts even when walking beside a bunch of cars stopped at a red light.

The same amount of traffic, let's say in the plains of Northern Italy, would soon lead to an emergency situation; while for example Genova, on a windy coast, never had such problems even with an older fleet of cars.

Just to remind how environmental parameters can condition the sustainability of private transportation in a certain area (something that pro- and against- advocates often forget).
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Old December 16th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #11853
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We need more electric cars on the fleet. When this happen, things will be much better.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #11854
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The same amount of traffic, let's say in the plains of Northern Italy, would soon lead to an emergency situation; while for example Genova, on a windy coast, never had such problems even with an older fleet of cars.
From my house in Milano, I could barely see mountains in the background in winter. When I could clearly see the peaks on the background, it was a sign of a windy day.
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Just to remind how environmental parameters can condition the sustainability of private transportation in a certain area (something that pro- and against- advocates often forget).
True, for example in Tirol the air quality is often poor despite the lack of industry and not particularly high traffic volumes. Inversion traps pollutants in the long valley. The same happens in cities like Tehran, Paris or Mexico City which are located in a valley.

A concern in the Netherlands is local particle emissions, particularly around cattle farms. The only spots in the Netherlands where particle limits are exceeded is in the immediate vicinity of farms. They calculated that some 100 houses are affected by very local pm10 emissions from farms.
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We need more electric cars on the fleet. When this happen, things will be much better.
Remember that there's not just a problem of emission or fuel efficiency probably the main drawback of private transportation is the amount of space needed, especially in towns.

I don't want to start a flame about "who's better", I'm just pointing out that the need of space for cars (parked and moving) is a relevant factor.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #11857
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Remember that there's not just a problem of emission or fuel efficiency probably the main drawback of private transportation is the amount of space needed, especially in towns.

I don't want to start a flame about "who's better", I'm just pointing out that the need of space for cars (parked and moving) is a relevant factor.
That is true, but electric cars solve the problem of pollution at point of use, entirely. So do hydrogen-cell powered cars for that matter, or hypothetical nuclear-powered cars.
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True, for example in Tirol the air quality is often poor despite the lack of industry and not particularly high traffic volumes. Inversion traps pollutants in the long valley. The same happens in cities like Tehran, Paris or Mexico City which are located in a valley.
A document about pollution of freight traffic in the Alps:

Umweltbelastungen des alpenquerenden Güterverkehrs/Impatto ambientale del traffico merci attraverso le Alpi: http://www.bafu.admin.ch/publikation...x.html?lang=de (German or Italian)

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Although the 'air quality craze' has mainly centered on particles (pm10), the actual problem is more in the nitrogon (NOx) area, because road traffic is responsible for a much larger share of it than with particles, which is mostly background concentration. For that reason, they will work out plans to discourage new diesel cars. The Netherlands already has some of the highest taxes on diesel car ownership in the world.
What are the limits in the Netherlands, to compare?
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40 µg/m³ in 2015. Most road vicinities comply to that norm for some time.
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That is true, but electric cars solve the problem of pollution at point of use, entirely. So do hydrogen-cell powered cars for that matter, or hypothetical nuclear-powered cars.
I love the idea of nuclear powered cars, you would need a piece of uranium the size of a cherry to run the car 100 years (I remember this as a thermodynamics class example ) But I think it is too small to make a chain-reaction, and a low-tech plutonium battery would be totally huge and crazy dangerous.

As for NOx, EURO VI standards are way stricter than already very tight EURO V. Why bother to tax diesel cars when the problem is already solved by higher levels?
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