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Old April 24th, 2007, 10:10 PM   #101
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Yeah, did you know Dutch people travel more miles annualy on a bicycle than with the train?
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Old April 25th, 2007, 07:06 AM   #102
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he PT is used ten times less
Than why not improve PT? Again, not everybody wants to drive and no amount of motorway widening isn't going to solve traffic problems in long term(look at US freeways for example).
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Old April 25th, 2007, 01:28 PM   #103
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It is much cheaper for the government to invest in the roads. PT only costs billions each year, while driving, the government gets like 14 billion each year in taxes and stuff.

And it is proven that a better PT doesnt attract drivers, so you have a very expensive PT, and still jamming and polluting motorways.
Investing in motorways is so much better for air pollution than investing in PT.

The last years, there has been such a waste of money in PT.

1 billion in a automatic bus that doesn't work in Eindhoven
7 billion for an High speed rail, while upgrading of the existing tracks, or double the existing tracks was much cheaper.
5 billion for an already absolutely not cost-effective freight rail line, which isn't even in operation yet.
billions for free PT.

And did the traffic jams become shorter? No, they become longer every year, annually the traffic jams rise with 10%, while traffic growth is limited to just 2 or 3%.
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Old April 26th, 2007, 11:41 AM   #104
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Some renders of the widened A2 in 2010:








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Old April 27th, 2007, 05:32 AM   #105
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It is much cheaper for the government to invest in the roads. PT only costs billions each year, while driving, the government gets like 14 billion each year in taxes and stuff.

And it is proven that a better PT doesnt attract drivers, so you have a very expensive PT, and still jamming and polluting motorways.
Investing in motorways is so much better for air pollution than investing in PT.

The last years, there has been such a waste of money in PT.

1 billion in a automatic bus that doesn't work in Eindhoven
7 billion for an High speed rail, while upgrading of the existing tracks, or double the existing tracks was much cheaper.
5 billion for an already absolutely not cost-effective freight rail line, which isn't even in operation yet.
billions for free PT.

And did the traffic jams become shorter? No, they become longer every year, annually the traffic jams rise with 10%, while traffic growth is limited to just 2 or 3%.
Madrid has both excellent mass transit and motorway network yet it still has traffic jams(from what i read). Traffics jams aren't going away unless you ban many cars.
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Old April 27th, 2007, 09:00 AM   #106
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It looks like the Canadian 401. I am not a fan of these super-wide motorways
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Old April 27th, 2007, 09:58 AM   #107
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It's only for a kilometer or so, that 16 lane stretch. The rest wil have 2x5 or 2-3-3-2 lanes.
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Old April 28th, 2007, 03:28 AM   #108
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Which stretch of the A2 will be widened? Amsterdam-Utrecht?
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Old April 28th, 2007, 12:22 PM   #109
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@Nephasto:

From Amsterdam to Utrecht it will be 2x5 lanes and from Utrecht to Den Bosch it will be 2x4 or 2x3. The road will also be widened near Eindhoven which is more to the south.
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Old April 28th, 2007, 02:03 PM   #110
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Jup, and there a plans to build a tunnel underneath the southern city of Maastricht, where the traffic has to go through traffic lights.

Furthermore, there are plans to widen the stretch Den Bosch - Eindhoven, and Roermond - Geleen.
And they rebuild the ring of Den Bosch from 2x3 lanes to 4x2 lanes.

So the entire A2 will be quite some construction site for the next decade.

There is still this ridiculously narrow bridge near Beesd (between Utrecht and Den Bosch). This one would be widen from 2x2 without shoulders to 2x4 with shoulders.
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Old April 28th, 2007, 02:28 PM   #111
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In this moment how many lanes have the A2?
Actualy are there in Germany highway with 5 lanes for many km?

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Old April 28th, 2007, 05:50 PM   #112
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The A2 differs from 2x3 lanes from Amsterdam to Utrecht, 4+3 near Nieuwegein, and 2x2 towards Eindhoven, but there are 2x3 stretches too. The beltway of Eindhoven has 2x3 lanes, and the southern part is 2x2.

You see, al these changes creates bottlenecks. Less lanes, but not lesser traffic.
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Old April 28th, 2007, 07:14 PM   #113
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The A2 differs from 2x3 lanes from Amsterdam to Utrecht, 4+3 near Nieuwegein, and 2x2 towards Eindhoven, but there are 2x3 stretches too. The beltway of Eindhoven has 2x3 lanes, and the southern part is 2x2.

You see, al these changes creates bottlenecks. Less lanes, but not lesser traffic.
Thanks. Situation must be problematic with all these changes, I believe!
Where begin and finish the A2?

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Old April 30th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #114
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Utrecht: creative sound barriers

Almost the hole city and surrounding of Utrecht (Netherlands) is under construction. One of those construction plans is the Motorway A2. On the east side the city is expanding there grounds whit the biggest housing location of the Netherlands. In that part they build 30.000 houses for 100.000 inhabitants. The motorway A2 is going straight to the old en new part of the city. 1.6 km will be tunneled and on top of the tunnel they build a hole new shopping centre. On top a train station en the highest tower of the Netherlands 262 m -69 floors.



The A2 jumps under the shopping centre and goes 1.6 km trough a tunnel.



They are busy whit the land-tunnel

The part of the motorway before the tunnel they try whit creative sound barriers to stop the sound for all the new inhabitants.
The first sound barrier is made of steel en Glass and is 1 km long and called the cockpit. The cockpit has won a lot of design prices.



They integrated a car showroom whit expansive cars.





The second is called the Wall and is 800 m long and filled whit 50.000m2 leisure

http://www.thewall.nu/impressiesv1.php
http://www.thewall.nu/
Watch the movie's of the wall





The third is a medical company.



The first sound barrier is completed, and the Wall is U/C, the third one they begin in 2008.

More Utrecht projects; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419595

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Old April 30th, 2007, 12:10 PM   #115
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Huge project . I like the first two sound-barriers. The Cockpit has a fine steel construction. The Wall is triple ground exploiting, shops, 1700 hundred parking spaces on the roof and it kills the sound. I hope the color stays red. Nice video clip .

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Old April 30th, 2007, 08:37 PM   #116
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There's about as much state money reserved for state public transport (rail) as for state roads (a large majority of which are freeways). Freeways carry about seven times more people than our train network here in the Netherlands. Investing in road infrastructure has been cut back in favor of rail projects during the last couple of decades.

So you're going to tell me we have to increase our PT spending in contrast to fixing the damn road problem? That's not a change for the better. It's not a change at all really.
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Old April 30th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #117
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^The color stays red. It is cool to drive there, every day i drive around Utrecht to my work and every day Ill see something new happening there. Its one giant construction area.
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 02:05 AM   #118
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Monday, i took pics of the A7 from Den Oever to Zaandam (near Amsterdam). It was really quiet traffic that day, because it was a holiday, normally the last 20km of the A7 is completely jammed.

Den Oever - Hoorn - Purmerend - Zaandam-Centrum

>>>79 pics, 41 MB<<<

[img]http://i19.************/5yi3qlk.png[/img]
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 11:13 AM   #119
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Damn it, Chris! When will you learn not to shoot pictures facing the sun?
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 11:58 AM   #120
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I know. But we didn't have this piece of the A7 yet for www.roadpics.net And since we haven't seen clouds in like 45 days, there is no option but taking pics in the sun
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