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Old August 15th, 2015, 02:30 PM   #12601
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Time to connect A4 to A29 and connect Spijkenisse to the new motorway with an exit.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 02:51 PM   #12602
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I agree, this should be a priority.

It is still part of the official planning (SVIR), but political priority seems near-zero. This is partially because of the recent large expansion of A15 which addressed some of the congestion problems in the area (A4 to A29 via A15).

I'm guessing they want to see how the A24 Blankenburg Tunnel works out with tolls and perhaps finance a southern extension of A4 the same way.

A southern extension of A4 has several problems, none of which can't be overcome, but requires significant investment in the corridor. First, there are two tunnels needed to cross the Oude Maas and Spui Rivers. Second, the Haringvliet Bridge is functionally obsolete. It needs replacement in the longer term, perhaps with an aquaduct.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 02:53 PM   #12603
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Half-OT: does "Spui" have a specific meaning, or is it just a name?
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Old August 15th, 2015, 03:06 PM   #12604
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Spuien means flowing water to the sea via a sluice.

Interesting, the Spui River is called 'Het Spui' in Dutch, while most rivers are called 'De (Rijn, Waal, IJssel, etc.)'

The Spui River is a tidal river which quite strong currents.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 03:13 PM   #12605
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You won't find a Dutchman that still uses the noun 'spui' other than when referring to canals or streets with that name. The historical meaning of the word 'spui' refers to overflows, i.e. places where water will be pumped to.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 03:25 PM   #12606
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Thank you. Maybe it's related to the German spülen.
So, the Spui streets in Amsterdam and Den Haag are related to that meaning? They look like they could have been canals in the past.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 06:15 PM   #12607
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I imagine so. In that sense, the streetname Spui is no different from Markt or X-kade or X-haven. It just refers to historical activities taking place in those locations.
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'Spui' is related to 'spuwen' (spitting or vomiting) a word which can be traced back all the way to Latin, Greek and even Sanskrit. You'll find words with the same ancestry in most European languages.

However, spui/spuwen is most probably not related to 'spoelen' (Dutch) / 'spülen' (German). This word is purely Germanic (only to be found in West-Germanic languages) and has an otherwise unclear etymology.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #12609
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Thank you. Maybe it's related to the German spülen.
So, the Spui streets in Amsterdam and Den Haag are related to that meaning? They look like they could have been canals in the past.
It was in Amsterdam:



You could read this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1494681
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Old August 15th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #12610
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In The Hague as well, but it was closed in the late 19th century to make way for the tram. You can see it on an old map here.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 10:08 PM   #12611
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Yeah, it's usually pretty easy to recognize former canals by the shape of the road, if it was not completely redesigned.

The same happens with their counterparts in Venice (rio terŕ, literally "buried canal"):



Also, about the Haagse Spui: is the canal still under it? I wonder what's bringing water to and out of the Hofvijver.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 10:47 PM   #12612
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Also, about the Haagse Spui: is the canal still under it? I wonder what's bringing water to and out of the Hofvijver.
I don't think so, because there is an underground parking and tramtunnel underneath. According to Wikipedia the Hofvijver is filled with filtered water from the Maas river. The old water source is the Haagse Beek (see page 13 of this research report).
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Old August 15th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #12613
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Oh yes, of course. What an idiot, I completely forgot about the tram tunnel

Talking about Den Haag: any status update about the underground parking in the Noordwal/Veenkade area?
Last August the boat owner who hosted us was mildly upset about the interrupted canal
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Old August 15th, 2015, 11:57 PM   #12614
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Oh yes, of course. What an idiot, I completely forgot about the tram tunnel

Talking about Den Haag: any status update about the underground parking in the Noordwal/Veenkade area?
Last August the boat owner who hosted us was mildly upset about the interrupted canal
All done.

It's a fully automated parking garage (with fancy elevator) directly underneath the canal. All spaces (158 of them) have already been reserved by local residents and businesses (it's supposed to open one of these days).

The whole project cost 25 million, of which the parking garage cost 15 million.







Source of these images: the Facebook page of The Hague city center.

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Old August 16th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #12615
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Sweet! A nice addition to the city, I would say.
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Old August 16th, 2015, 12:42 AM   #12616
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It was such a success that they've now begun digging a parking garage for some 300 spaces underneath Tournooiveld (where Lange Voorhout meets the Hofvijver). No canal this time, however.


Photo by Peter de Ruiter. Source: Centrum Den Haag @ Facebook.
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Old August 16th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #12617
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Drivers continue to crash into the gate for the reversible lanes in the Coen Tunnel in Amsterdam.



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Old August 16th, 2015, 09:12 PM   #12618
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No canal this time, however.
Not a fan of canals in cities tbh, they don't serve a purpose mostly ( excluding the places where there is a lot of boat traffic still), space that could be better used imo.

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It's a nice idiot filter.
Shame they don't take away the license of those that drive into it!
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Old August 16th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #12619
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Not a fan of canals in cities tbh, they don't serve a purpose mostly ( excluding the places where there is a lot of boat traffic still), space that could be better used imo.
Haha you don't leave the basement very often, do you?
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Old August 16th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #12620
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the canal flooded his basement
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