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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:31 PM   #12661
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A4 Delft - Schiedam

The media is reporting that the A4 motorway between Delft and Schiedam will open to traffic on 18 December.

The final paving works were done this weekend.





More: http://www.vlaardingen24.nl/nieuws/n...december-open-
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Old August 31st, 2015, 04:10 PM   #12662
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N35 Nijverdal

The first morning rush hour since the tunnel in Nijverdal opened...


Normally it would be jammed in both directions.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 08:27 PM   #12663
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Any plans to downgrade the road?
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Old August 31st, 2015, 08:31 PM   #12664
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There will likely be a reconstruction, but as you can see it's already fairly narrow and not the typical 1960s through street with wide lanes. There are several pedestrian crossings (one with traffic lights) and there is a 50 km/h speed limit, though you'd normally drive some 30-40 km/h due to traffic and pedestrians / cyclists.

I'm guessing it will be a 30 km/h street with on-street cycling.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 10:07 PM   #12665
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Old August 31st, 2015, 10:35 PM   #12666
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There will likely be a reconstruction, but as you can see it's already fairly narrow and not the typical 1960s through street with wide lanes. There are several pedestrian crossings (one with traffic lights) and there is a 50 km/h speed limit, though you'd normally drive some 30-40 km/h due to traffic and pedestrians / cyclists.

I'm guessing it will be a 30 km/h street with on-street cycling.
I must say that the on-street cycling traffic policies that are being introduced recently in some downgraded roads are not something I would endorse. I don't mind downgrading, narrowing, speed bumps, and other calming policies, but mixing cars and cycling traffic seems to me as a step back.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:31 AM   #12667
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I agree. As a cyclist, I hate it.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:48 AM   #12668
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Also agreed. I want to cycle safely and don't want to be the living equivalent of a traffic calming policy only put there to slow motorized traffic down...
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Old September 1st, 2015, 04:17 PM   #12669
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N356 Drachten - Dokkum

Some aerial photos of the new N356 expressway, called the 'Centrale As' in Friesland province. It runs from Drachten to Dokkum and is built under several contracts. The northernmost segment is nearly completed and partially open to traffic.

1. The northern terminus at Dokkum, looking west to the N356 / N361 roundabout.


2. Underpass.


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4. De Falom wildlife crossing.


5. The aquaduct at Burgum.


6. Looking north across N356. At the bottom is existing N31.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 09:52 PM   #12670
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I agree. As a cyclist, I hate it.
I agree. As a motorist, I hate it too.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:22 PM   #12671
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I agree. As a motorist, I hate it too.
Especially when there is a roundabout, so you get cyclist from both directions.

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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:55 PM   #12672
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Tbh I don't really mind that, still far better than traffic lights.
''Fietsstraten'' are something I see popping up more and more, idiot politicians imho, luckily they have no legal status whatsoever, why on earth would you force a car to be stuck behind some slow cyclist? Typical bullying of motorists. Slow traffic should always be kept separate from cars and motorcycles.
I generally think all traffic calming is retarded though, average speed should be increased on all fronts, not decreased.


I am very very curious about the A4 opening in December, if there will be a noticeable difference on the A16>A20>A13. Also wonder if the A15 and A4 Beneluxtunnel can cope with the extra traffic.

An alternative Rotterdam-The Hague route is always good though!
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:04 AM   #12673
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Especially when there is a roundabout, so you get cyclist from both directions.
That's just stupid and doesn't have to do anything with road downgrading/categorization that comes with Sustainable Safety they were talking about.

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Slow traffic should always be kept separate from cars and motorcycles.
I generally think all traffic calming is retarded though
Yes. Let's get rid of any speed limits and ban cyclists from using any road. Awesome.

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Use a brain.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:19 AM   #12674
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Yes. Let's get rid of any speed limits and ban cyclists from using any road. Awesome.
Yes there should be no speed limits on motorways.

And yes, cyclists belong on cycle paths anywhere where cars go 50 km/h or faster. Who in their right mind wants to destroy cycle paths and put cyclists back with the cars ?
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Perhaps some people do not want to waste to much time commuting and actually want to get from A to B, rather than commuting longer than necessary and living in a narrow circle all day long.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 01:28 AM   #12675
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Especially when there is a roundabout, so you get cyclist from both directions.

That's completely all right I would say. I had it about things like this one.



And other cases when even already functioning bicycle infrastructure is scrapped and bicycles are pushed on the road. Or even just renovating the current situation to a bicycle street. When you realize how much money it costs, it would be much better to create a solution that would be clearly separating bicycles and other traffic and not this:

Things like this:

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Old September 2nd, 2015, 02:10 AM   #12676
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Who in their right mind wants to destroy cycle paths and put cyclists back with the cars ?
I agree with you on this, but it's not what you said earlier and what I responded to.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:58 AM   #12677
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The 'bikescout'. It warns drivers of cyclists approaching a priority intersection. That way cyclists don't have to be aware of traffic so can keep texting.

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Old September 2nd, 2015, 04:48 PM   #12678
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These lights are also installed on the Coolsingel and the Westblaak in the Rotterdam City Center. But in those cases they are installed just before pedestrian crossings.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 06:06 PM   #12679
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I must say that the on-street cycling traffic policies that are being introduced recently in some downgraded roads are not something I would endorse. I don't mind downgrading, narrowing, speed bumps, and other calming policies, but mixing cars and cycling traffic seems to me as a step back.
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Also agreed. I want to cycle safely and don't want to be the living equivalent of a traffic calming policy only put there to slow motorized traffic down...
So you prefer previous situation with mixing cyclist with pedestrians (pretty crowded sidewalk)...?
I think there is no room for fietspad or cycle lanes in that situation.
Unless you remove trees and parked cars which is fairly unlikely.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 06:27 PM   #12680
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That street has plenty of room for a bike path. It's wider than this one, for example.
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